Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[ParaBul]

i would be more concerned with being able to achieve the same fuel consumption post fix. But they are saying it has been achieved and i'm sure if that is untrue we will be seeing you all on today tonight again.

I am concerned about the fuel economy, and I have no doubt that they will publish figures showing that fuel economy is unchanged.

This will be under laboratory test conditions, which is when the existing published economy figures were determined - while they were also meeting emissions standards. Now they will still meet emissions standards, and obtain the same fuel economy - under the same laboratory test conditions that were used previously, meeting the same emissions standards they met previously.

What will happen to fuel economy outside the laboratory, when the vehicles now operate to the emissions standards to which they should've been operating, but weren't?

[theresanothersteve]

I think this whole issue can be summed up in the words of the great Scottie (Star Trek):

"Ye canna change the laws of physics..."

[arcadelt]

I found this interesting from the Maurice Blackburn Volkswagen Class Action Frequently Asked Questions:

Am I obliged to sign the Retainer in order to be in the class action?

No. The class action is being conducted on an 'opt-out' basis, and therefore any person who acquired an interest in an affected vehicle and has suffered loss due to the alleged conduct, will be a group member in the class action. Therefore you do not need to retain us as your lawyers to be a group member. However, only those people who retain us will receive regular updates, have steps taken by us to assess their individual claim and receive individual advice from us.

Essentially, this seems to say that anyone who has an affected car is part of the class action unless they specifically opt-out, but you will have to argue and prove your own individual claim amount if you do not retain them. Anyone care to comment?

[Elmura]

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Is this a legal firm going nuts? How the hell can they drag Bosch into it for aiding VW? It's like dragging Apple into a terrorist act coz their phones were used to provide the ability to video the act, communicate with other terrorists, or remotely trigger an explosive.

Revhead by nature

[VW Convert]

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Is this a legal firm going nuts? How the hell can they drag Bosch into it for aiding VW? It's like dragging Apple into a terrorist act coz their phones were used to provide the ability to video the act, communicate with other terrorists, or remotely trigger an explosive.

Revhead by nature

There's a big difference, Bosch wrote the software knowing that the vehicles would be driven on the road and despite having informed Volkswagen that this would be illegal, continued to provide the software. They were aware that the product was going to be used for an illegal purpose, in fact, the sole purpose of the software was that it be used for an illegal purpose. On the other hand, Apple, sell phones in good faith expecting them to be used for legal purposes, that someone uses them for an illegal purpose is beyond Apple's control and not the sole purpose of the product.

Cheers

George

[Guest001]

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Is this a legal firm going nuts? How the hell can they drag Bosch into it for aiding VW? It's like dragging Apple into a terrorist act coz their phones were used to provide the ability to video the act, communicate with other terrorists, or remotely trigger an explosive.

Revhead by nature

Its called covering all the bases and maximising sources of settlement.

[Elmura]

Bosch provided software with the ability to disable/enable functions for testing purposes. Just as the Motronic fuel & ignition module allows the engine tuner to alter those parameters based on MAF, throttle & O2 sensors. The final implementation by the engine tuners is not Bosch's responsibility

Revhead by nature

[Guest001]

Now 96 pages of supposition by bush lawyers and others Why dont we all just wait and see what happens.

Its like Rachael Hunters hair it wont happen overnight but it will happen

[VW Convert]

Bosch provided software with the ability to disable/enable functions for testing purposes. Just as the Motronic fuel & ignition module allows the engine tuner to alter those parameters based on MAF, throttle & O2 sensors. The final implementation by the engine tuners is not Bosch's responsibility

Revhead by nature

As I understand it, (and I may well be wrong) the software was written to detect when the vehicle was being tested and switch the engine to a "test" mode with lower emissions only to revert to normal operating mode and emissions when the software detected that the vehicle was no longer being tested. In that case, Bosch must surely be viewed as a co-conspirator.

I agree with Hillbilly though, it's all supposition and we all have to wait and see.

Cheers

George

[Amalgam]

VW kyboshed tighter tests – Car Reviews, News & Advice - CarPoint Australia


The email, uncovered by the advocacy group Corporate Europe Observatory, proved a Volkswagen senior executive writing to the European Commission (the EU’s executive body) saying that: “Such topics must be deleted.”

Though the executive’s name has been edited out, it runs counter to the Volkswagen Group’s new-found commitment to ethics, transparency and accountability. Volkswagen has refused to name the executive responsible for the email, though sources at Volkswagen confirmed its veracity.

“We cannot agree to a regulation including undefined topics like cold start or high speed,” the email stated.

Why VAG, WHY ???

Why can't you just do the right thing and obey the rules like others.??

[arcadelt]

Why VAG, WHY ???

Why can't you just do the right thing and obey the rules like others.??

I don't see anything wrong with what VW did in this circumstance. In all policy development, parties lobby and negotiate in their own best interests. This is no different to the food industry lobbying over health labelling, the hotel industry lobbying over lockout timings or unions lobbying over stop work provisions. In the end, all policy is a compromise to balance the positions of stakeholders, while hopefully still meeting regulatory aims.

[Eaglen00b]

As I understand it, (and I may well be wrong) the software was written to detect when the vehicle was being tested and switch the engine to a "test" mode with lower emissions only to revert to normal operating mode and emissions when the software detected that the vehicle was no longer being tested. In that case, Bosch must surely be viewed as a co-conspirator.

I agree with Hillbilly though, it's all supposition and we all have to wait and see.

Cheers

George

Supposition, suppository.... they both should both get shoved up the clacker and disappear. Let due process take its course, I say.

[Mikey1]

As I understand it, (and I may well be wrong) the software was written to detect when the vehicle was being tested and switch the engine to a "test" mode with lower emissions only to revert to normal operating mode and emissions when the software detected that the vehicle was no longer being tested. In that case, Bosch must surely be viewed as a co-conspirator.

I agree with Hillbilly though, it's all supposition and we all have to wait and see.

Cheers

George

Bosch's legal position in this saga will surely be tested in the courts and by regulators. They will have to explain why if they knew their software could be used for illegal purposes in production vehicles, they continued to supply Volkswagen with the engine management system containing this software. Isn't this collusion? It seems Bosch's culture is the same as Volkswagen's, where profit and market share rule above all other considerations. Their practices must change to restore market confidence in their names.

[VW Convert]

Why VAG, WHY ???

Why can't you just do the right thing and obey the rules like others.??

VW were not breaking any rules (well not this time), this was a discussion about what would and would not be included in forthcoming legislation. All businesses have the right to have input into what should or should not be included in legislation.

As for the wording of the report by Carpoint.com, it's sensationalism at it's worst, typical of journalism today.

Cheers

George

[Eaglen00b]

Bosch's legal position in this saga will surely be tested in the courts and by regulators. They will have to explain why if they knew their software could be used for illegal purposes in production vehicles, they continued to supply Volkswagen with the engine management system containing this software. Isn't this collusion? It seems Bosch's culture is the same as Volkswagen's, where profit and market share rule above all other considerations. Their practices must change to restore market confidence in their names.

There's only one question Bosch needs to answer, in my opinion.

"What was the intent behind writing of the code identified as the "defeat device"?