Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[dero]

But this level is when operated with the drive cycle specified in the standard.

People are jumping on the x35 figure and saying that VW has to comply with that. This only has to happen if that level of emissions are measured when undertaking the standard test with all conditions set out in the test.

Wholly agree. The testing is so contrived it doesn't meet up with real world scenarios. The same can be said about the fuel efficiency cycle claims made by manufacturers about their vehicles.

VW's PR in this has been horrible. It continues to be horrible in allowing to be beaten from all sides. The trolls have come out of their caves and have gotten onto their megahorns. They need to improve some PR and at least now deliver some truths to the equation so it can get rid of a lot of the speculation being chucked around making for more panties being tied into knots.

[Amalgam]

VW emissions scandal: VW to recall 11 million cars worldwide | Autocar

Volkswagen has confirmed that 5m of the 11m cars affected are VWs. In a statement, the firm said: "The internal evaluation revealed that approximately five million Volkswagen Passenger Cars brand vehicles are affected worldwide. Certain models and model years of these vehicles (such as the sixth generation Volkswagen Golf, the seventh generation Volkswagen Passat and the first generation Volkswagen Tiguan) are equipped exclusively with type EA189 diesel engines.

[Ryeman]

VW emissions scandal: VW to recall 11 million cars worldwide | Autocar

Volkswagen has confirmed that 5m of the 11m cars affected are VWs. In a statement, the firm said: "The internal evaluation revealed that approximately five million Volkswagen Passenger Cars brand vehicles are affected worldwide. Certain models and model years of these vehicles (such as the sixth generation Volkswagen Golf, the seventh generation Volkswagen Passat and the first generation Volkswagen Tiguan) are equipped exclusively with type EA189 diesel engines.

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article today has the company referring to only 5 rather than the previous 11 million.......why mention 11 million?
It would be even more disingenuous if "the company" was trying to ignore some of its own products as not being of much importance.
My read is that the total number has been downgraded across ALL brands.

Also read Golf AllTrack article.

[Guest001]

Well my purchase details say my 2011 125TDI has a CFG motor. so where does that leave me.

[wai]

The same can be said about the fuel efficiency cycle claims made by manufacturers about their vehicles.

The fuel efficiency sycle was based on the emission cycle, and had the same reasoning behind it. It was never meant to be a true reading of the fuel efficiency a buyer might expect on the road. It was there to give a method of comparing the fuel efficiency of vehicles by putting them through exactly the same cycle. Again, it was developed in the days of carburettors and simple engine systems.

Unfortunately, it makes for good headlines as in the Telegraph today when Nick Xenophon has called for fines for breaching the emission rules. Unfortunately, the public do not know what's what, and are easily led by sensational headlines and people pushing an agenda trying to bolster their standing.

[centralaxis]

Well my purchase details say my 2011 125TDI has a CFG motor. so where does that leave me.

Sit back and wait for a letter from VWA my Nitrous Oxide Emitting friend! Speculation from the UK/US that it could involve more than just a software re-program but possibly an AdBlue conversion but we'll have to wait and see (means I'll have to put my own mods on hold until this blows over...)

Anyway, Since VWA have been slow in getting info out, I've compiled a quick list of VW cars equipped with EA189 engines that may be affected if it hasn't been done already


Golf Mk VI
77TDI/Bluemotion (CAYC), 103TDI (CFFB, CBDB), GTD (CFGB)

Jetta MkV/1KM
103TDI [MY09-10] (CBDB), 125TDI Highline (CEGA)

Jetta MkVI/1B
103TDI (CFFB)

Tiguan
103TDI (CBAB, CFFB)

Passat B6
125TDI Highline [MY09-10](CBBB)

Passat B7
125 TDI Highline (CFGB)

Passat/CC
125TDI (CBBB, CFGB)

Eos TDI
MY09- (CBAB, CFFB)

Polo
66TDI (CAYB)

Caddy
TDI250 (CAYD), TDI320 (CFHC)

Source here cross-checked with Carsales data (Engine codes not provided/partially provided for Audi and Skoda). All the above engine codes are part of the "EA189" family.

Presumably you'd have to include 4 cylinder diesel versions of Audi A1, A3, A4, A6, Q3, and Q5 built since 2009; as well as most diesel Skodas including the Fabia, Octavia (including RS TDI), Yeti and Superb sold to date.

I may have missed a few vehicles from the list and it may not be totally correct but I've found this a good way of procrastinating from doing uni work

[Eaglehawk]

Interesting link. I'm trying to see if both my cars (110TDI MY13 and 130TDI Passat Alltrack) are affected.

The only link I can draw from your links above is under the section titled: 2.0 R4 16v TDI CR 81-176kW

Under that section, it lists what appears to be my engine outputs.

110 kilowatts (150 PS; 148 bhp) @ 3,500 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–3,000 rpm — CRBC Audi A3, Golf VII, SEAT Leon

and

130 kilowatts (177 PS; 174 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 380 newton metres (280 lbf·ft) @ 1,750–2,500 rpm— CGLC Audi A4, Audi A5, Audi A6

No mention of the Alltrack's in that second line though.

Should both these car be added to your list? * Yes, the final say is with VW...

Update: I've just checked my MY13 Alltrack and it's engine code is CFGC, the Golf's is CRB. And I'm going to investigate the rest tomorrow...

[Eaglehawk]

VW confirms emissions fix plan

I don't like it.

[nat225]

does it mean the awesome smooth 130tdi will have 90kw max output after the fix? [emoji14]

loved the 130tdi when i drove it.

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[dero]

VW confirms emissions fix plan

I don't like it.

Weird how the article states that a software fix is likely but it'd still not get it to meet the necessary emissions regulations.

Has anyone tracked the second hand sales pricing of EA189 equipped vehicles on CarSales in the last several weeks?

[Buzy_Robot]

So if we are subjected to this 'fix' what will it mean in terms of performance, fuel economy and long-term durability of engine components?

[team_v]

More news about other manufacturer's being investigated:

After Volkswagen scandal, Mercedes and BMW accused over fuel efficiency | Daily Mail Online

[dero]

So if we are subjected to this 'fix' what will it mean in terms of performance, fuel economy and long-term durability of engine components?

ACCC consumer protections might come into play... We were sold one thing that with a mandated change, we're no longer getting.

[gldgti]

Supposing you're assumption is correct.. How will you prove it? Dyno before and after?
Simpler to avoid the recall surely if you're concerned.

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[gldgti]

More news about other manufacturer's being investigated:

After Volkswagen scandal, Mercedes and BMW accused over fuel efficiency | Daily Mail Online

That article is largely garbage...
How would removing wipers and taping over gaps improve rolling road fuel efficiency. Hahaha hahaha


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