Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Guest001]

For the avoidance of doubt, let me state that I like my Passat 125TDI and plan to keep it several more years, I have not joined any class action, and I am unlikely to undertake any recall fix.
I can think of at least 15 Billion reasons to implement a fix via a service bulletin.
If you were a well paid engineer at a prestigious car company, would you seriously deploy any cheat device without approval from the not just your managers but from the very top, and risk
1/ a multi billion euro lawsuit ( let's face it your employer would come after you, not to reclaim damages because you are probably not a multi billionaire, but to redirect blame ).
2/ being permanently unemployable. The motor vehicle industry is a very small universe. What might be your chances of remaining employed at VAG or if you were lucky or smart enough to move to BMW, Daimler Benz, VM Motori et al after your cheat device was detected?
If you were the person ( engineer or manager or CEO ) who authorised the deployment of this cheat device, why wouldn't you insist upon / have the authority to push out the fix as a service bulletin? You might get away undetected with a few months production, especially if you push out the service bulletin as soon as a solution was available, but 7 years production of one of your top selling vehicle, from the second largest car manufacturer in the world, amounting to millions of cars is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette with ALL the chambers loaded.
And that is what I am worried about.

Be alright till you sell it and the new owner says "Has it had the fix for emissions" May also not get a roadworthy without the recall sticker

[Amalgam]

Be alright till you sell it and the new owner says "Has it had the fix for emissions" May also not get a roadworthy without the recall sticker

True. As I have posted elsewhere, I will let others experiment with their cars first, and it will give the new owner the choice.

Here in the west, we don't have roadworthys and I believe that it is a voluntary recall in Oz.

[Guest001]

True. As I have posted elsewhere, I will let others experiment with their cars first, and it will give the new owner the choice.

Here in the west, we don't have roadworthys and I believe that it is a voluntary recall in Oz.

That must be why there are so many cars lying on the side of the road over there

[arcadelt]

Be alright till you sell it and the new owner says "Has it had the fix for emissions" May also not get a roadworthy without the recall sticker

I would have thought VW would have to offer the fix forever, irrespective of the age of the car, because no matter how good their recall and advertising process is, they will never catch everyone. Therefore, all you need do is get it serviced by a dealer on the last service after you decided to sell/trade it.

[Amalgam]

that must be why there are so many cars lying on the side of the road over there

[Elmura]

I wonder if the same technique is being used on current Euro 6 diesels?
But hey, if measurement of air temp is so critical what happens if driving in Darwin summertime, then later At Thredbo in winter? Can the software map cope with such dramatic changes?
Or, for that matter, New York in winter and Texas in summer

Yes. This is actually quite easy. High temperatures mean less air density which, for the same throttle opening, less fuel is injected. And vice versa
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Revhead by nature

[Transporter]

Blah blah blah.
Personal attack, no links, no evidence to the contrary.

Just calm down! If someone post up the link to his theory, it doesn't mean he is 100% correct or whatever in the links is correct.

Have you ever noticed that often the truth and all that surrounds it is found several years later?

From what you've posted about you, and since you keep your cars for over 10 years, I don't get why the resale value bothers you?

No common car has a resale value of 50% after 13 years.

[arcadelt]

No common car has a resale value of 50% after 13 years.

Based on a limited sample size of 1, I'd have to agree with that comment. When I bought my Tiguan in November 2014, well before the scandal, it still had the original purchase invoice in the glovebox. It cost a little over $46,000 in early 2011, and after a little under four years and with 53,000km on the clock I paid $23,000 including the trade of my ancient and well worn Subaru Forester. That's 50% in just four years.

[kamold]

Cmon guys whilst this is certainly an emotive topic, lets try and keep things civil lest the ban hammer start to make an appearance.
It would be a very sad outcome to have to start sanctioning people on this forum as at the end of the day, we're all in this together.

All VAG vehicles are being tarnished by this sorry state of affairs whether they are directly affected or not, so lets keep the conversation lively and entertaining without resorting to bickering.

[Bayman]

Don't worry - be happy

All VAG vehicles are being tarnished by this sorry state of affairs whether they are directly affected or not, so lets keep the conversation lively and entertaining without resorting to bickering.

Well look at it this way, local dealers are taking a drop in commission as sales take a dive (temporarily). VWA have implied they will not discount their way out of this mess with new car prices. My local dealer informed me he was upset and his family were suffering also by lost income and possibly the potential loss of employment.

On a brighter note the new Tiguan to be released next year looks good, the Golf Wagon R & Alltrack are fantastic vehicles so I will not be swayed away but with a preference for a new Diesel Tiguan especially the higher powered diesels on offer, I'd expect VWA to offer a lousy engine variants owing to Diesel gate, we'll wait and see.

If VWG don't realise that their customer rating is now crap and do something about it fast, they'll never catch Mazda or Toyota in sales. They make the best cars VW/Audi/Skoda but give Australia a pathetic option list (especially the Touareg). Paul Gover has even stated the best small car on the market is the Golf 7 and I heard sales are booming on the petrol model, so VW need to end this Class Action quickly world wide as the longer it drags on the worse buyers confidence will be.

I asked the local dealer to feed back to Germany his customers complaints as a matter of urgency. VWG should immediately back their cars with 5 year warranty. This would mean dealers would get more cars back for servicing over that period and make more money on parts which is where auto makers now make their tidy profits, ask any panel beater!

This Dieselgate has already provided for a film, story for the business world of books and no doubt set a precedence in the legal history of class actions.

I'm just about to submit to the MB action, owning 3 VWs and looking at a new one, this is going to be an interesting next 12 months of the DAS AUTO!

[Bayman]

Class Action still open to join

Anyone who wishes to join the Maurice Blackburn case you still can:

"Extension of time to sign Maurice Blackburn Retainer
Due to huge interest in these class actions, we have extended the deadline for signing our retainer to Wednesday, 16 December 2015."

[ParaBul]

1. Provide evidence that your vehicle, or in fact,any Australian VW vehicle has lost value of between $7000 and $10000.

It's not solely about economic loss. This is a misrepresentation case.

If the misrepresentation were innocent i.e. Volkswagen had no idea about this "cheat device" then owners would be entitled to compensation to restore themselves to the position they would've been in had the misrepresentation not occurred. Effectively, compensation for drop in value only, as you imply.

This is fraudulent misrepresentation - Volkswagen represented these vehicles to be something (low emissions) that they were not. As such, owners are entitled to the economic compensation as per innocent representation, plus some "compensation" for being defrauded - the fear, the anguish, the night-sweats, bed-wetting, marital break-down and shortened life expectancy. From memory, this additional compensation is also intended as a punitive measure against the perpetrator of the fraud, and probably a deterrent for others considering something similar (not that fraudsters ever learn - they never expect to be caught).

The estimate of $7k - $10k per vehicle is what Volkswagen may be directed to pay; the lawyers are likely to take some of that, depending on how much of their costs Volkswagen are also directed to pay. It won't all go to owners.

Personally, I'll be happy with compensation for drop in value - to date, I guesstimate it's about $3000 (10-15% of $24k-$26k). If I get offered more, why wouldn't I take it?

[Guest001]

All this quoted information was gleaned from the internet.. SO IT MUST BE TRUE. Yeah Right.

93 pages of supposition an innuendo and no one really knows the truth or whats going to happen as a result.

Why not take a chill pill and wait and see. Working yourself Frantic and into a frenzy over what may or may not happen is not going to solve anything.

With lawyers costs estimated north of $6,000,000 they will probably need to get more that $10,000 each and nowhere have I seen that figure being touted as a prospective settlement figure

More maybe misleading supposition.

[Transporter]

Arcadelt and transporter residual of between 30-65% on the current defenders for sale on carsales from 02-05. The 30% single cab 130 has over 300,000km whereas the 65% defenders have an avg 140,000km! having sold 2million worldwide they are fairly common.

You're right, now suddenly I see more Defenders on the road than Corollas or others. How could I be so blind? I don't know?

Now, seriously, if you post the same stuff again and again, I will start moderating the posts that have the same info in them. Not just from you, also from others.

[bluey]

Sometimes, Hillbilly, nothing is better than something, if that something has detrimental conditions and clauses attached. However, given the video on the fix I am now seriously considering joining the class action, because like others I cannot believe that a company and its officers would be so stupid to risk billions in shareholder value and customer goodwill when the fix was so simple.[..]

I personally am not expecting any negative value with fix.

Maurice Blackburn needs people to sign up before they know what the "fix" and VW's compensation might actually be. Otherwise, they may not get any money for their preliminary work if they end up with no case.

VW I expect has expensive lawyers who will be giving them advice on how to avoid compensation payouts, because that is a cost with no value to the company. VW will be more likely to spend money to keep customers happy and loyal, especially where this is "paper money" which costs much less to VW to give than real money compensation.

On the radio early on, the MB lawyer suggested that it was the "lead applicant" in the class action that was committed to paying the costs of the action. Presumably, in reality, they try to get everyone to ante up a bit.

In all legal matters the only certainty comes with a settlement by negotiation or a court judgement which will take years.