Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[The_Hawk]

Volkswagen’s rolled out much of the details of its “Goodwill Program” in the wake of Dieselgate, as it hopes to somewhat soothe the feelings of people who bought cars with afflicted 2.0-liter diesel engines from the company.


Volkswagen Dieselgate Owners: You're Getting Gift Cards So Please Be Satisfied

And what will we get?

Sweet FA is my guess!!

An interesting offer to buy some time while they get their house in order and offer a final fix. The cynic in my also says that in any class action that might happen they get to point to their good will.

Now Roadside may or may not be used, but for people who are otherwise paying for it might actually see a real saving.
BUT for VW they potentially also get people who might just renew at the end of that period too... call it a loss leading market approach that's not likely to cost them very much.

The $500 dealership voucher. Let face it, parts are sold at a mark up therefore the actual cost to VW is less. As above it may very well bring people back to the dealership and some may stay. Are there exclusions on what you can use it for? Can I just buy $500 worth of windscreen wipers and walk away?

The Cash. Well that's cash, but just like any gift vouchers there would be a percentage of people who never get around to using them at all as well as all those people with $3.95 left on the card they don't bother trying to use.


What that means to Australians?? At this point nothing and until the Aussie arm tell anyone anything it's all suposition and wishful thinking.

[VW Convert]

77 pages of supposition and misleading information.

Shouldnt we all take a chill pill and just wait till VW come up with some fixes.
Then if they arent satisfactory it will be time to moan.

Ive got two of them but Im not getting my panties in a twist like some. Will wait for some solutions and hope they get it right.

If not then join one of the class actions.

Come on you can't make sensible posts like that, this is the Internet!

Cheers

George

[Ryeman]

Those who are in the unfortunate position of having to change their vehicle for one of many reasons don't have the luxury of sitting on their hands.......they need a bailout offer now.

[arcadelt]

77 pages of supposition and misleading information.

Shouldnt we all take a chill pill and just wait till VW come up with some fixes.
Then if they arent satisfactory it will be time to moan.

Ive got two of them but Im not getting my panties in a twist like some. Will wait for some solutions and hope they get it right.

If not then join one of the class actions.

Hillbilly, Much of the fun in life is in the journey, not just reaching the destination. I for one am happy with the banter, opinions, lies and truths, and the best part is they won't change the outcome one little bit.

[joel0407]

I don't know if I should be surprised or not that we don't have some sort of official results already. I mean if it's such a big deal, wouldn't you think the officials would be straight on to it, confirming if the backyard test mob are correct and by how much? I know VW have admitted to cheating but as others have said the media is running away with it and I believe that's partly because we don't have exact confirmed figures.

And while we are on that, why aren't we seeing the same for the other manufactures that were also over?

Happy Days

[Swallowtail]

September new car sales figures:

1 Toyota 16,594
2 Mazda 10,864
3 Holden 9,326
4 Hyundai 9,311
5 Mitsubishi 6,937
6 Ford 5,823
7 Nissan 5,242
8 Volkswagen 5,124
9 Subaru 3,621
10 Honda 3,595

In the August figures, VW accounted for 7.04% of the total of the top 10.

In September this dropped to 6.70% of the total of the top 10. Not a particularly significant drop, however a lot of sales will have been committed prior to the news breaking about the diesel emissions.

Compared to last year VW sales up 14% in September.

October's figures will be more likely to show any impact.

October new car sales figures:

1 Toyota 16,964
2 Hyundai 9,003
3 Mazda 8,532
4 Holden 8,088
5 Ford 6,098
6 Nissan 5,961
7 Mitsubishi 5,508
8 Volkswagen 4,480
9 Subaru 4,112
10 Honda 3,261

VW down 6 percent (compared with same month previous year I assume rather than over previous month).

Equates to 6.2% of top 10 manufacturers' sales for the month, down from 7.04% in August, and 6.7% in September.

[jrgti]

Jrgti, mpg has nothing to do with Nox, go google it or maybe read back a few pages. The emissions fix could possibly make your mpg or km/litre increase?
http://www3.epa.gov/greenvehicles/do.../420f13022.pdf

Facepalm all you want. Check and recheck your own knowledge frantic. The EPA report measures just the proportion of NOx per kilometre and not the total grams emitted so stop comparing it to a semi-trailer.

[Guest001]

But 0.04 is bin4, not bin5 .
Even if you use that figure the end result is 4 vw tdi weighing 6 ton emitted the same or more Nox than 3 semis weighing between 120 and 180ton

What B+++Dy difference does it make You lot are just arguing for the sake of it. The cars will get fixed eventually. The result may be not what we want but after we find that out is the time to start moaning. Has been 77 pages in this thread plus others arguing about "Maybes"
and incorrect technicalities. Give it a rest.

[arcadelt]

What B+++Dy difference does it make You lot are just arguing for the sake of it. The cars will get fixed eventually. The result may be not what we want but after we find that out is the time to start moaning. Has been 77 pages in this thread plus others arguing about "Maybes"
and incorrect technicalities. Give it a rest.

You've been on the forum a while Hillbilly, so I'm sure you know how to unsubscribe from a thread if you are not interested in it anymore, or is there something specific you are waiting to pop up that you don't want to miss?

[arcadelt]

But 0.04 is bin4, not bin5 .

It just doesn't matter, and still wouldn't prove your original point.

Even if you use that figure the end result is 4 vw tdi weighing 6 ton emitted the same or more Nox than 3 semis weighing between 120 and 180ton

Now you're just trolling, so you win! I can't follow an argument where the goalposts are changing.

[Guest001]

You've been on the forum a while Hillbilly, so I'm sure you know how to unsubscribe from a thread if you are not interested in it anymore, or is there something specific you are waiting to pop up that you don't want to miss?

I thought there possibly could be some sensible discussion but am sadly disappointed to see its turned into a P+++ing contest about sweet FA

[ParaBul]

Facepalm all you want. Check and recheck your own knowledge frantic. The EPA report measures just the proportion of NOx per kilometre and not the total grams emitted so stop comparing it to a semi-trailer.

You really don't understand the argument you're in. You're still buried in (diesel) fuel economy & CO2 emissions, which are all but inextricably linked. Burn more diesel, emit more CO2. Unavoidable.

The same is simply not true for NOx. Hence, the fact that some semis, burning massively more diesel, can emit less NOx than my Golf GTD is of huge significance. In the real world. If you care to join us.

As for those telling me I should just wait? Back in July I contacted Volkswagen for a payout figure for my Golf, because I was planning to sell it. Unfortunately, I waited too long, and advertised it the week it was confirmed that the problem affected Australia. It is currently advertised $4000 less than Car Sales tells me it is worth, and I haven't had a single enquiry - not even somebody to tell me I'm dreaming, and offering me an insultingly low figure.

How long should I wait, for what outcome? To find out how the fix will affect my power / torque / fuel economy / reliability? To find out how much I can receive from a class action for being unable to sell a vehicle for less than it was supposedly worth 3 months ago?

I have an interest in this discussion, and have read every post in case it brings something new. Frankly, I'm getting sick of posts from illogical fanbois who somehow manage to convince themselves that Volkswagen have done nothing wrong, and that we should all just shut up and wait until Volkswagen deign to tell us how they think they can resolve this debacle brought about solely by the company's own corporate culture of ego and arrogance.

I want my Golf gone, but I don't want to lose any more than I must. If I can't come here, to a Volkswagen discussion forum, for consolidated news on this issue then where can I go? What is this forum really for? Fanbois only?

[AdamD]

As for those telling me I should just wait? Back in July I contacted Volkswagen for a payout figure for my Golf, because I was planning to sell it. Unfortunately, I waited too long, and advertised it the week it was confirmed that the problem affected Australia. It is currently advertised $4000 less than Car Sales tells me it is worth, and I haven't had a single enquiry - not even somebody to tell me I'm dreaming, and offering me an insultingly low figure...

I want my Golf gone, but I don't want to lose any more than I must.

Carsales figures are often inflated because their "sale price" statistics are based on what users enter when they close off their ads - and they're often not truthful. Check out redbook.com.au for a much more accurate reflection of the value of your car, based on real selling prices (as reported to registration departments).

Sometimes cars just take longer to sell - not just VW diesels. There are several members who've been trying to sell their Mk6 Golf Rs for months at reasonable prices and just haven't had any bites yet, for one reason or another. It can't be all attributed to the scandal (although I'm not suggesting that the situation hasn't had a bearing in your case).

A Mk6 Golf GTD is going to be a niche product with a very limited number of second-hand buyers at the best of times. They were slow sellers when new. It pays to be realistic here. During this period of unknowns (which is likely to last for some extended time - perhaps another 6 months or so) it's going to be more difficult than normal to sell a VW or any diesel, and to be honest I don't think that anything that anyone says on any forum in the meantime is going to give you more clarity, unfortunately.

My reading of this thread is that the majority of contributors fall into one of two camps: those who are affected but want to wait before speculating (which doesn't mean they forgive VW or are "fanbois"), and those who are affected and are angry, and feel the need to vent.

[Tuan]

As for those telling me I should just wait? Back in July I contacted Volkswagen for a payout figure for my Golf, because I was planning to sell it. Unfortunately, I waited too long, and advertised it the week it was confirmed that the problem affected Australia. It is currently advertised $4000 less than Car Sales tells me it is worth, and I haven't had a single enquiry - not even somebody to tell me I'm dreaming, and offering me an insultingly low figure.
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... and unfortunately, after all the debating and arguments, this is the ultimate proof that diesel VW owners have been negatively affected. I'm awaiting more fallout regarding the petrol motors now, especially my 2.0T .. staying tuned.

[ian]

Yes. 12 months ago I sold my Golf GT Diesel on car sales for $15,000 with just 60,000km on the clock. I would hate to think what it's worth now ?