Polo GTI High Oil Usage - Discussion Thread

[kawabanga]

Gavs, I agree about the low viscosity of the oil to reduce internal loss of energy, but if the oil is burned it means that something (rings or scrapers) don't work properly...
5W30 is low viscosity and it's more and more used to reduce fuel consumption, but it's only referred to cuncossions and pumping, not friction on the cylinders walls. Any modern oil guarantees no direct contact from iron to iron...

Furthermore the very different behaviour on the same engine from one to another it means that there is something wrong: I mean that some GTIs don't burn oil and others a lot...
If it was a project choice all of the 1.4TSI should burn oil almost in the same way...

[gavs]

Again like I said, good concept, poor execution.

[alias_vw]

Surprised it took that long, mine started after about 3500km had just over 7000km when they changed it yesterday.

Yeah, I thought I'd gotten lucky and it wasn't going to happen...no such luck.

How's yours since the work was done? Did they outline what they did? As far as I could see they still don't really have a fix for it but would be happy to be proven wrong!

[kelal]

How's yours since the work was done? Did they outline what they did? As far as I could see they still don't really have a fix for it but would be happy to be proven wrong!

only picked mine up at 9am today, no more squeaks!!!! I was picking it up tuesday but was delayed until wed arvo which i said no too, didnt want to sit in 1hr of traffic with storms around knowing my luck it would have hailed. They did not give me any paperwork at all, was told by service rep that it was the revised pump same as the latest fix for the 118tsi golf. Was told monday I would start the oil consumption test but told today no test required as they recorded the oil they put in at my last driveway service used whatever volume the dipstick is in under 800kms so car is no booked in for march 19 to get rings and whatever else they do replaced. They want the car for 10 days so I'm betting they will have it for 2-3weeks going on previous experiences.

[gavs]

Just letting everyone know, last night I downloaded the latest version of the VW approved oils list for the CAVE motor from ERWIN and have it as a 4 page pdf. if anyone is interested in a copy, let me know.

Once ond for all, Castrol Edge SPORT is most certainly NOT an approved oil. None of the Castrol oils listed can be bought over the counter in Australia.

[prcurrie]

Just letting everyone know, last night I downloaded the latest version of the VW approved oils list for the CAVE motor from ERWIN and have it as a 4 page pdf. if anyone is interested in a copy, let me know.

Once ond for all, Castrol Edge SPORT is most certainly NOT an approved oil. None of the Castrol oils listed can be bought over the counter in Australia.

Yes please! Have emailed you!

[giveway]

Thought I would add my tale to the story.

MY12 polo GTI delivered in Nov 2011. One of the first MY12's but without the the Rcd510 or Bluetooth. Week 26 I think.

Currently has 4476km on it and has been topped up with 4.5L of oil before it went in to the dealer today to get it checked. It was also 1/2 way down the dipstick last night when I got home so probably needed another 500ml.

To the dealers credit when I told them how much I had used before I booked it in they said bring it in we will get it checked. No stuffing about with oh it May use some oil before the first service. Loan car was no issue besides a weeks wait for one to be available.

So the outcome when I went to pick it up this afternoon was as follows from the head service manager.

"Normally the outcome would be we would do a consumption test and then replace the rings to fix it. Problem is yours has already got the new type of rings in it so we waited for a response back from VW on what to do. I can only show you some of the report but the response from VW is there is no fix at this time."

There were a few highlighted lines on the report of what they said they could show me from the service bulletin stating there is no fix at this time. He then hands me 5L of oil and says "please keep topping it up until VW or myself call you to bring it in for a fix"

He then says "they have engineers working on several solutions at the moment back in Germany and are currently testing the outcomes of these solutions."

When he brought the car around, he said his guess is that he will call me in a month or two and I'll be having the engine replaced.

When I got home I went to check the oil to see if they had topped it up and noticed green paint on the oil cap and the dip stick to mark if it had been opened. Looks like they we're ready to do a consumption test before they got the report back from VW.

I'll post back when I get some new info.

Tapatapa

[kawabanga]

Giveway, that's what's happening here in Europe: for now there is not a solution and seems not depending on the production date.

After week 23th they inserted a rings modification, without great results.
Other new rings are available from Jenuary 10th 2012: those seem to work better, but there are few cases to compare.
Here one recent case where the change of the rings didn't fix the problem Polo GTI 1.4 TSI Twincharged Factory Recall – Engine Piston Rings – StrikeEngine

If you can choose, ask for a new engine, not a rings replacement...

[iigx]

by Friday night I will have done 500km on my new GTI in 8 days. I've checked the oil every day and so far its still above the top of the dipstick.

But I may be too short into the life of the engine to have any realistic information.

[prcurrie]

MY12 polo GTI delivered in Nov 2011.

"Normally the outcome would be we would do a consumption test and then replace the rings to fix it. Problem is yours has already got the new type of rings in it so we waited for a response back from VW on what to do. I can only show you some of the report but the response from VW is there is no fix at this time."


Tapatapa

Thanks mate. Very interesting. Mine is a MY12 as well and it was delivered at the end of November 2011 (I think it was week 32 build or something like that).

What dealer have you been going to? I think it's pretty interesting that they've said the engines have had new rings installed at the factory.

I'm around 2,800kms and I've got just under a 1/4 left on the dipstick. I'm taking it to my dealer tomorrow for a topup (before the light comes on) so it will be interesting to see how much they actually put in. Although I'm probably averaging less than 1 ltr per 3000kms, so it's well within the (stupid) guidelines.

Keep us posted how you go

[tay113]

Thought I would add my tale to the story.

MY12 polo GTI delivered in Nov 2011. One of the first MY12's but without the the Rcd510 or Bluetooth. Week 26 I think.

Currently has 4476km on it and has been topped up with 4.5L of oil before it went in to the dealer today to get it checked. It was also 1/2 way down the dipstick last night when I got home so probably needed another 500ml.

To the dealers credit when I told them how much I had used before I booked it in they said bring it in we will get it checked. No stuffing about with oh it May use some oil before the first service. Loan car was no issue besides a weeks wait for one to be available.

So the outcome when I went to pick it up this afternoon was as follows from the head service manager.

"Normally the outcome would be we would do a consumption test and then replace the rings to fix it. Problem is yours has already got the new type of rings in it so we waited for a response back from VW on what to do. I can only show you some of the report but the response from VW is there is no fix at this time."

There were a few highlighted lines on the report of what they said they could show me from the service bulletin stating there is no fix at this time. He then hands me 5L of oil and says "please keep topping it up until VW or myself call you to bring it in for a fix"

He then says "they have engineers working on several solutions at the moment back in Germany and are currently testing the outcomes of these solutions."

When he brought the car around, he said his guess is that he will call me in a month or two and I'll be having the engine replaced.

When I got home I went to check the oil to see if they had topped it up and noticed green paint on the oil cap and the dip stick to mark if it had been opened. Looks like they we're ready to do a consumption test before they got the report back from VW.

I'll post back when I get some new info.

Tapatapa

Thank you guys for sharing one of the same problem apart from plenty other s....Mines delivered mid dec and at 800km,i had top up 1/2 litre.Have inform the service tech dept in adelaide and he suggested after 1000km ,can do the consumption test.Do you honestly think i should consider doing it or wait further down the track for better piston rings update.Just too many problem issues already.I better stop complaining about my old seat ibiza 1.4 which is 17years old is definitely putting these damn new cars to shame.

[giveway]

The first topup took a while to come around and it has got worse.
1800km 1L
2700km 1L
3100km 1L
3800km 1.5L
4400km 0.5L

I'm thinking the 2700km top up probably should have been more than 1L but i could not check the dipstick properly (no level ground) at the time as sister inlaw was borrowing the car and just popped by to top up the oil and same again for 3100km.

Must admit i'm not too fussed at the moment as VW have acknowledged the issue and are working on a fix and provided oil for the topups. I have a 1L bottle in the boot in case i get caught out, but checking once a week is just another 30sec on top of the weekly tyre pressure check.

[gavs]

Must admit i'm not too fussed at the moment as VW have acknowledged the issue and are working on a fix and provided oil for the topups.

The supposed fix is a whole new engine so I wouldn't hold your breath my friend...

[giveway]

The supposed fix is a whole new engine so I wouldn't hold your breath my friend...

If the fix is a new engine, then so be it. As long as the warranty keeps covering it and they give me a loan car while it is at the dealer, then the fix can be anything they want it to be. I've had no issues yet with the whole process and i hope it stays that way.

You have got to give people/organisations the opportunity to do the right thing. I'd be surprised if VW set out to have this issue deliberately. I'm sure they wish it was not happening and it must be a PITA to try and resolve.


Tapatapa

[kawabanga]

Giveway, I agree with you, the only concernings could be the turbo and cat state of healt after a lot of kms in this condition...