Golf mk7: Auto Start/Stop disable switch - who wants to help?

[Kachingg]

Yep i highly recommend everyone who finds it a issue to do something about it after my delete of the program its a huge relief and so much safer
Use any program or device that resolves the issue it's so much safer and more fun to drive

[bgroper]

I'm becoming accustomed to the Fred Astaire driving style.
Perhaps could even grow to like it.

[gregozedobe]

By accident (no pun intended) I've discovered a welcome "feature" of the Stop/Start function.
If coming to a stop quite smoothly, and being very gentle with the brake pedal during the final moments of motion,
this prevents the engine from switching off when car becomes stationary.
When already stationary, firmer pressure on the brake pedal will then stop the engine.
Slight release of pedal pressure, without enabling any motion, will restart the engine.
I don't remember reading about this in the manual, but there's lots I don't remember.
Its becoming quite natural for me to use this feature (or is it a bug ?) to overcome the irritating and dangerous Stop/Start function.
HTH

Unfortunately that's not how Stop/Start works on my 7.5 R
Mine cuts out before I've completely stopped, no matter how gentle I am on the brakes (and I am quite light footed - I often sell a car with the original brake pads, including one that had over 180,000km). It will restart if I wiggle the steering wheel.

I think I will program myself to hit the SS button immediately after the Start engine button as if I know I'm going to be stationary for a long time I do like the engine to stop running.

It's a pity VW didn't move the buttons to the correct (driver) side of the gear lever when they changed to RHD, but seeing as they were always too lazy/penny pinching to move the indicator stalk I guess it is no surprise they took the easy way out.

[ozmale]

You know, if you think about it, it is a very complicated piece of software that controls the SS feature. Incredible to go to so much trouble for something the clearly a lot of people don't want.

I would never buy a second hand car with this feature that the previous owner used. You can just imagine what is going to fail a soon as you get it home. All the components in the start cycle. Even if these parts are somehow beefed up (which I doubt).

Almost all the wear and tare on an internal combustion engine is done when starting and here we are starting an engine 1000's of times more than necessary.

[Paul_R]

We have stop-start on both our cars. Neither of us use it. Turning it off is just part of the (many) button pressing routine at start up. The longest and most annoying of these being having to press race mode (or in my case Individual mode because I like the suspension in normal) every single time to open the outer exhaust flaps. I’m looking forward to not having to do that on my wagon when it arrives

I wonder if every R owner is aware of the flap reset issue. I drove past one yesterday and the outer exhaust tips looked like new while the inboard two were black like all four of mine are. Maybe they just never change the drive mode.

[bgroper]

I read somewhere that the Stop/Start annoyance is only enabled in "Normal" mode.
So if "Individual" mode is programmed with same settings as normal mode, and individual mode is selected, does the Stop/Start thingy stay deactivated ?
When I get my car back, I'll try this out.
Meanwhile, thanks for any tips or clues.

[revster]

I wonder if every R owner is aware of the flap reset issue. I drove past one yesterday and the outer exhaust tips looked like new while the inboard two were black like all four of mine are. Maybe they just never change the drive mode.

I have a 7.5 R and use individual mode with DCC is normal. With most other things on Race (apart from Sound). Are you saying I need to reselect this each time to reset the flaps?

[kennyc]

I read somewhere that the Stop/Start annoyance is only enabled in "Normal" mode.
So if "Individual" mode is programmed with same settings as normal mode, and individual mode is selected, does the Stop/Start thingy stay deactivated ?
When I get my car back, I'll try this out.
Meanwhile, thanks for any tips or clues.

My 7.5 R is in individual mode and SS works as it should. Also I can get it to NOT cut out by no depressing the brake pedal so hard.
Also the 7.5 R DAP (should be the same with all 7.5 golfs) is great in that it detects the car in front and when the car in front driver off the engine automatically kicks in again.

I actually really like the SS feature and have never experienced an issue with the engine cutting out when trying to do a right turn. I guess when I figured out the "trick" on how to have it not cut out from my mk7 GTI it hasn't bothered me one bit.

[bgroper]

...
I actually really like the SS feature and have never experienced an issue with the engine cutting out when trying to do a right turn.

And lots/many/some other folks seem to also dislike this "feature", which really should be the point.
Different drivers have different styles and desires, so the default for the SS feature should be configurable by the driver, NOT fixed by VAG.
Some drivers would select ON by default, others would select OFF by default. Everybody happy.

Sadly, I accept such driver choice of default is unlikely to ever be implemented.

[wookie_666]

Hi Don

Hopefully this gets to you mate.

Im in sydney, just picked up a mk7.5 wolfs wagon.

I would love to pay for your time to make one of these units for me. For sure i could do it myself, although if you have the knowhow, and parts already, im happy to pay.

Please message me a price mate. inc shipping to sydney if possible.

Thanks again for the time.

bgroper: Yes, its called the "SS shuffle"; it's the sweet-spot in the brake pedal pressure beyond which the car has stopped, but before the SS function has engaged. I learned the SS shuffle in the early days of owning my mk7 - but I eventually got very tired of driving like Fred-Astaire! . This is the 21st century and VW's enforcement of a feature that makes their cars positively dangerous (example, completing a RH turn against oncoming traffic) is just plain wrong IMO!

It's OK (I guess) if folk drive with SS engaged (as long as I'm not the car coming the other way when they are completing a RH turn), but I cannot understand why the boffins @VW couldn't design the center console switch so that it remembers the position that it was left-in at the last ignition sequence.



Don.

[wookie_666]

Hi Paul

I have picked up my Mk7.5 wolfs wagon. Whats the best way to check if this is active or not? I mean the having to press individual mode when you start the car?

We have stop-start on both our cars. Neither of us use it. Turning it off is just part of the (many) button pressing routine at start up. The longest and most annoying of these being having to press race mode (or in my case Individual mode because I like the suspension in normal) every single time to open the outer exhaust flaps. I’m looking forward to not having to do that on my wagon when it arrives

I wonder if every R owner is aware of the flap reset issue. I drove past one yesterday and the outer exhaust tips looked like new while the inboard two were black like all four of mine are. Maybe they just never change the drive mode.

[wookie_666]

Stop start does not work in Sport mode(pulling down on the gear stick). or race mode. Individual it still works. Unless you have drive set to race mode.

I read somewhere that the Stop/Start annoyance is only enabled in "Normal" mode.
So if "Individual" mode is programmed with same settings as normal mode, and individual mode is selected, does the Stop/Start thingy stay deactivated ?
When I get my car back, I'll try this out.
Meanwhile, thanks for any tips or clues.

[Paul_R]

Hi wookie,
the wagons don't have exhaust flaps. They are just loud all the time - totally different exhaust setup. You don't need to worry about selecting your drive mode every time you start up. Just get in and drive

The hatch has electronically controlled flaps that open the outer pipes when the engine is in sport mode. The problem is that they close when you shut off the engine and don't re open on start up until the sport mode is selected again. They may have fixed it in the 7.5 hatches but I haven't heard anything about it.

[ozmale]

We have stop-start on both our cars. Neither of us use it. Turning it off is just part of the (many) button pressing routine at start up. The longest and most annoying of these being having to press race mode (or in my case Individual mode because I like the suspension in normal) every single time to open the outer exhaust flaps. I’m looking forward to not having to do that on my wagon when it arrives

I wonder if every R owner is aware of the flap reset issue. I drove past one yesterday and the outer exhaust tips looked like new while the inboard two were black like all four of mine are. Maybe they just never change the drive mode.

A common mod on Mk6 "R" was "The flap mod" involved plugging the vacuum line to the rear of the car. thus making sure the flap or flap are always open

[wookie_666]

So i ended up making one of these yesterday

Using an arduino pro nano
A logic level relay (which is basically a 5v relay)
a Polulu voltage regulator

I mounted it all to a perf board, did the 3 connections (+ve, -ve, and sensor), and mounted it in behind the shifter,
Connect it to the 3 wires noted on the page 1 and page 6 of this thread.

It works flawlessly. Thanks for all who are involved.

(ps, arduino is probably overkill, but the ability to be able to code it to do exactly what i want makes it much easier. And the pro nano isn't much bigger than some of the other modules i have seen in this thread).