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  • I'm not discounting the issues that some have had with the DSG (all the various versions), I have had the mechatronic replaced on both our GTI and the R so I know the DSG isn't what it should be although in the case of the GTI I had it replaced by VW as I was about to sell it and VW and the dealer were fantastic with that replacement and with the R, had a false neutral or two in the first few thousand km's and the dealer got it replaced without question.

    However, after 50,000 km with the R, the DSG has been faultless since.

    Perfectly smooth when I drive like a granny (when the mother in law is in the car), including creeping in traffic and fast shifting and smooth when driven more aggressively.

    In D mode, shifts are just right and not shifting up early like many seem to get in their cars. After the mech replacement that changed for the better and has been like that ever since.

    In S mode (where I spend a bit of time on the freeway), shifts have tamed down a bit and don't hold a gear too long. Pretty much ideal for freeway usage and cruise control.

    Paddle and stick shifts work just perfect, alone or in combination.

    Happy camper.
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    • What he said
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      • With the 'wet' DQ250's there was a tendency for the dealers to rip out and replace the mechatronic when really it only required a software update. The thing was they were being paid quite a lot to do it so there was little incentive to not do it. When the new mech goes in it gets the latest software updates but I guess if there were no updates at the time then there wasn't much choice. False neutrals due to software were certainly fixed with the more recent updates -mine was one too.

        When we 'remap' a DSG box now I will where possible use the latest file from VW/Audi for that particular DSG hardware and software variant, everyone's happy this way. In the MY11's and earlier R's you can arrange a big shift speed improvement and we implement this on all the earlier versions now depending on the level of DSG tune. Strangely the GTI's seem to be better in this regard from those I've seen anyway. Its pretty cool what you can do actually.
        Apart from a bog stock passat none of the cars I've seen have had a failure yet ...touch wood but gees those DQ200's are pretty scary.

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        • With our GTI and R, their process was

          1. Reset and try for a week

          No improvement

          2. Update software

          No improvement

          3. Replace mechatronic

          With the R I had a false neutral after the software update.

          None since the mech replacement
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          • So with my 90TSI and the DQ200 my only option is to go back to VW and hope they will chuck in new clutch plates/mechatronics/gearbox every time any of those parts play up? I am booked next week for an assessment to the shudder and clunky shifting and I will keep my fingers crossed.
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            • MK6 GTI DSG Missed gear

              After having a play the other night on local country road, I thought I'd test the new tyres with the launch control.
              Car took off smoking the tyres as predicted, I think launch control in the GTI is a wasted feature for RWD. Anyway, it revs out first and then it's almost like it missed second, similar to missing second on a motorbike, just revved out and then clunked into 2nd. This was in S mode.

              If I used the manual shift it didn't do it, but it did it 3 times, I stopped trying after that.

              It's just had it's 60,000km DSG service not long ago, is always serviced earlier than specified and I think I have used the burnout button (Launch control) like 5 times prior as it seems useless, I don't need a procedure to smoke the tyres, I can do that without the effort of pushing multiple buttons and stalling it up etc.

              I have seen a few posts on the net about it, but never resolved or people didn't get what the poster was saying.

              So for those at home, Go through launch control sequence, car doesnt make it into 2nd and revs out, then changes into 2nd.

              Before I burn the POS, any ideas?
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              • DSG Reserve Moving Forward

                Today I accidentally shifted to reverse instead of neutral while rolling forward down a hill at 20km/h. I quickly shifted it back though. I have the 7 speed DSG. Is this likely to have done any damage?
                Last edited by Matticus; 21-04-2015, 06:10 PM.

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                • Nope. Will be fine mate
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                  • Originally posted by vdubmotorworx View Post
                    Nope. Will be fine mate
                    Great. Thanks!

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                    • I'm keen to get some feedback/guidance over the behaviour of the DSG in my MY12 GTI. I tend to drive only in M, and have a significant JERK upon changing from 1st to 2nd - but only for the first change of that drive - all subsequent changes (including 1 =>2) will be silky smooth. I'm not revving hard for the first change, maybe only 2500-3000rpm, yet the jerk is very noticeable (and alarming/disconcerting) for unprepared passengers (especially if up hill). I have raised (and demonstrated) the issue with dealer, - they reset/reprogrammed the mechatronic (?) - but it didn't really have much of an effect. If I leave it in auto, or change manually at 1500rpm or so for that 1st change, its a pretty smooth one. This behaviour has existed pretty much since I got the car (from new), though I was primarily driving in auto for the 1st 6-8 mths or so - so didn't notice it then. Is this normal behaviour for a DSG GTI, or should I be pursuing the dealer for more work while I'm still in warranty?

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                      • I don't know if there are any significant difference between your DSG & mine, but I've noticed that changes in Auto mode are much more "slurred" than in Manual.

                        I normally drive in Manual, but for a while I drove in Auto to see if it made a difference to fuel economy. It did make a very slight difference; I realised I was not accelerating as hard, because I felt the clutches were slipping too much on changes. Whether or not this perceived slipping makes any difference to the transmission I have no idea, but I couldn't break the habit, so I went back to Manual mode.

                        I do get the occasional sharp change, but I haven't noticed any real pattern to it. First change of the day is typically as I turn a corner, so it's normally on light / no throttle, then I have a few hundred metres of downhill run for the next few changes.

                        I often use Auto in car parks, because it will hold 2nd at speeds that send Manual back to 1st. Anybody else notice this?
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                        • Originally posted by ParaBul View Post
                          I often use Auto in car parks, because it will hold 2nd at speeds that send Manual back to 1st. Anybody else notice this?
                          I have the 7sp dry clutch DQ200 DSG and I've definitely noticed it. In D, it will hold onto second at speeds much lower that it will in manual mode. Like you, i often end up putting it in D when in car parks.
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                          • Wife's 2012 MK6 90TSI with the the 7 speed DSG just went in to the dealer to investigate quite bad shuddering when taking off. As suspected, the clutch pack needs replacing, which they're going to do next week under warranty. It wasn't part of the recent gearbox recalls, so this is the first warranty repair.

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                            • I've had a 2009 103TDI with DSG for a couple months now. I've slowly come to learn the little idiosyncrasies of the gearbox and shed the habits I developed from years of driving with a conventional slushbox.

                              I like the DSG overall but there is one quirk that really bothers me and I'm curious to know if anyone else experiences this. Scenario: Turning into a street that immediately goes downhill. The gearbox seems like it has absolutely no idea what it's doing and can't decide what gear to select until I'm halfway down the hill. It revs and I feel resistance of varying degrees as the gearbox tries to figure out which gear it wants to be in to coast down the hill. I've tried adjusting throttle in various ways or using no throttle at all.

                              Also just to clarify, I'm not applying the brake in these situations so it shouldn't be attempting to do that thing where it shifts down to regulate speed with engine braking. Does anyone else have this problem with the 6 speed? It tarnishes an otherwise great driving experience.
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                              • Are you typically turning from a stop (1st gear) or while moving (2nd? 3rd?)
                                What gears follow? (i.e. 2 > 3 > 4 > 3 > 4)
                                What do you expect? (i.e. 2 > 3......... > 4)

                                One option is of course to become friends with Manual (tiptronic) mode. Another is Guy Harding's DSG tune.
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