Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[ian]

John Cadogan he writes for all the motor magazines type his name into Google

[Swallowtail]

That level of discount is not sustainable on $30k cars without subsidy from VW Australia, which does not appear to be happening yet. Having been talking to VW dealers over the last month about Golfs (specifically pricing TDIs and TSIs), I can say that for me it sounds like he is talking out of his orifice.

[ian]

He was talking about the used car market. So your TDI. Is being devalued more by the diesel scandel thus one of the reasons that there is a class action against VW people are going to be shocked. When they either trade or sell their. Car.

[AdamD]

John Cadogan he writes for all the motor magazines type his name into Google

John Cadogan is a motoring journalist but he's by no means impartial or an expert on resale (beyond the next observer). He's long had a very vocal anti-Volkswagen attitude and has been openly criticised for said bias in his videos and written material.

Here's a recent article on his "quality" website: How Volkswagen Betrayed the World — Auto Expert by John Cadogan - save thousands on your next new car!

I wouldn't trust the rantings of this lunatic father than I could throw him. He's a proper Alan Jones of the motoring world - ready to appeal to readers' base instincts to get a headline.

[Ryeman]

Check out the background of Mazda marketing managers and you'll find ex motoring journos.....they seem, to me at least, to compete for the prize job........if you get my drift.
If VW DOESN'T have a reliability problem the this is the perfect time to get back some credibility and kudos by giving its vehicle owners an immediate increase in warranty - say 5 years and 160,000km.....how could a superior German car not be so covered, plus think of the servicing profit for the dealerships.
Don't hold yr breath!

[arcadelt]

I've posted the actual website from the university that did the tests that states 35 times eu5 which is 2-3 times worse than a truck ,yet we still have deniers trying to defend.

Where? Please post link again.

[AdamD]

Where? Please post link again.

I believe this may the link to which frantic is referring:
Diesel cars have high emissions in real traffic

As an aside, a message to everyone - please keep the discussion civil and the tone friendly. Do not use labels to objectify those with whom you disagree. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and each is equally valid. I will delete posts that inflame, criticise or belittle others' views.

[arcadelt]

I believe this may the link to which frantic is referring:
Diesel cars have high emissions in real traffic

AdamD, thank you for your input, but I have read both the summary and full report at that site, and it does NOT conclude that emissions are "35 times eu5 which is 2-3 times worse than a truck". In fact, while it mentions Euro 5 cars, it makes no specific conclusions about them at all, as the report is mainly concerned with Euro 6 and Euro VI vehicles. The reason I requested frantic provide the link again is because I am interested if perhaps he had posted something else earlier that I had missed.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion and each is equally valid. I will delete posts that inflame, criticise or belittle others' views.

I fully agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and welcome those as part of the richness of the discussion; but when facts are cited, we would all hope they were actually facts, otherwise they are just misleading.

[Rawcpoppa]

You would think by now those saying don't listen to the media would have already gone to the sources like the WVU, CARB and the EPA.

[Transporter]

Simple maths, 35x 0.07 =2.45 Nox truck limit is 0.2 or with NMHC 2g! so a vw 2.0tdi is potentially putting out more Nox than a semi!

Hmm, unless it's tested on the road under the same test conditions as was the VW, your conclusion is incorrect.

[Transporter]

Your really grasping at straws now aren't you?

I don't need to.

I'm only surprised that you're and others still going on about it. Wouldn't it be smarter to wait for the official results or you really think that you can really accomplish anything here in the cyberspace?

[ParaBul]

I'm only surprised that you're and others still going on about it. Wouldn't it be smarter to wait for the official results or you really think that you can really accomplish anything here in the cyberspace?

Isn't this a discussion forum? Isn't it for discussing Volkswagen?

If what is being discussed here makes you uncomfortable perhaps you should stop reading, rather than trying to shut down the discussion?

[Transporter]

Isn't this a discussion forum? Isn't it for discussing Volkswagen?

If what is being discussed here makes you uncomfortable perhaps you should stop reading, rather than trying to shut down the discussion?

Well, you're going round and round in your discussion, so it's really boring.

[Guest001]

77 pages of supposition and misleading information.

Shouldnt we all take a chill pill and just wait till VW come up with some fixes.
Then if they arent satisfactory it will be time to moan.

Ive got two of them but Im not getting my panties in a twist like some. Will wait for some solutions and hope they get it right.

If not then join one of the class actions.

[jrgti]

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Simple maths, 35x 0.07 =2.45 Nox truck limit is 0.2 or with NMHC 2g! so a vw 2.0tdi is potentially putting out more Nox than a semi!

You bet that is simple math. Comparing it to a semi-trailer??? What is the average MPG for these in the US?? I think being 8 is generous and wouldn't be surprised if it is lower. How big is their fuel tank??? What about when it is pulling a full load????

The EPA has been providing the proportion measured and not the actual total output of NOx for a single fuel tank. VW violated the limits but the total output of NOx for these cars is nowhere near as bad if you take into consideration they achieve much better average mileage vs the BMW X5 which was the 3rd LVT tested and have smaller fuel tanks.
The measuring system is flawed as it should measure the amount of NOx generated per litre/100km.