Golf GTI -v- Toyota FT86

[bwen]

I always like WJ's posts, they provide useful information and knowledge in suspension and handling. I appreciate the time and efforts WJ makes here and on golfmk5 forum as early as in 2009:

WHITE JAMES: Suspension & Wheel Reviews - VW GTI Forum / VW Rabbit Forum / VW R32 Forum / VW Golf Forum - Golfmkv.com

I have not seen anyone else as passionate as him on suspension and handling in this forum / vwgolf.net.au / etc..

So, please respect people

Agreed the 86 vs GTI/R discussion might be a bit bias on a VW forum nut it's still great to read WJ's threads minus all the keyboard heros that love to drop in replies every 2-3 posts

[Candyman]

Agreed the 86 vs GTI/R discussion might be a bit bias on a VW forum nut it's still great to read WJ's threads minus all the keyboard heros that love to drop in replies every 2-3 posts

What's a keyboard hero ?

Is that one step up from warrior ?

You just made the grade with that post

[geeza]

^^^
lol!

Went and had a look at one the other day - quite liked it actually, definetly thinking of gettgin one but problaye the 2 seater thing will put me off....funny thing is the more i think about it, the more i think its the GTI seems pretty good value in comparison

35k + on roads for the 86 which will be more fun but not more practical as an only car...
45k ish for my GTI which is fast, has rear seats, proper boot, better interior etc etc etc

I love the ways the 86 is priced low though...hopefull.that will knock on effect to other new cars wanting to compete

[WhiteJames]

FT86/BRZ -v- Golf MK7

Practicality aside, ideally you'd shop the twins against the Mark 7 Golf GTI.
The std Golf MK7 is due for release on 4 Sept in Berlin.
The MK7 Golf GTI due to unveiling on 27 Sept 2012 at the Paris Motor Show apparently.

New Volkswagen Golf: Details emerge

Pressure may be on to become more competitive on price/value equation esp. given std equipment on the Focus ST and the twins.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/VW-Golf-Mk7-2013-the-latest-artists-impressions/

Cheers.
WJ

[SilvrFoxX]

That would be worse given the MK 7 is supposed to have better performance , new subframe etc etc than the current MK6.. and by that time the 2nd hand market for FT86/BRZ will be crowded anyway... look it has already started.. the hype is so high that people want to gouge the market

IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO VOICE YOUR OPINION ABOUT MY CAR - please don't send me an "inquiry" with a list of reasons why you beleive I am ripping someone off. I payed nearly $49,000 driveaway for this car, NOT $33.000, like most people seem to think. There is a 18-24 month waiting list, and hence I was RECOMMENDED by a reliable source to increase the price because it would sell which i have now dropped entirely. If you have an issue with all the above, then kindly leave this page. Thankyou

Toyota 86 GTS Automatic.

Selling because my circumstances have changed as I'm returning to University next year.

Don't wait up to 18-24 MONTHS for a Fully optioned GTS. This car has dealer installed window tinting, interior protection and exterior paint protection, extended 6yr/150,000km Toyota warranty. 4 remaining capped price services every 15,000kms up to 60,000kms. In total, over $5,000 of extras.

This cars main features in comparison to the GT model include: Sat nav/touchscreen head unit, Heated/Leather Seats, HID/LED Headlights, Digital Speedo, 17" Rims, Bigger Brakes, Automatic/Tip-tronic transmission with paddle shifters, 2-zone auto climate control and Push button start with Keyless Entry.

Note: The spare full size 17" Toyota rim and tyre that is included brand new with this car, has already been discontinued from future Toyota 86 Models delivered after September 2012, and won't be able to be bought as an additional option.

This is a truly amazing car to drive and own for someone who doesn't plan to wait until 2014 to own one.

I am in no rush to sell, Price is negotiable but firm.

(This car is under finance)*Legal note. $53k? Seriously?

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/toyota-86-2012-13221887

[GolfVI]

Do you think there are plenty more that use an MX5 as a track car that see the 86 as the next step up (already happening).

A NA entry level Japanese sourced, good handling vehicle versus, oh wait, the same.

I understand you would defend an 86, you bought one. I used to own a GTI but I don't defend it (as my run in with GTI owners/zealots as mentioned buy SF will attest).

Comparing a GTI and an 86 is well, just weird, to those of us that don't have a vested interest.

Defensive? I just paid 35k for a car that dealers are being offered 10k over the list price every day and are listed as USED CAR's for over 50k... I know which position I'd rather be in... there is only one set of definsive owners here and they all seem to either own a GTI or an R.. I could easily bail with a profit on my 86 and buy a Mk6 GTI... or a used R for that matter.. but I have no plans to. anyway guys.. you seem to take it all so personally when people compare the two cars.. when I made the comparison I didn't have an invested interest because I hadn't made a decision.. I don't need to defend my decision to buy the 86 over the GTI at all.. I'm not trying to argue with you guys, like I keep saying Golfs are great cars.. but the fact is, there will be people who toss up whether to buy a GTI or an 86GTS... so therefore, no matter which wheels are being driven or how many doors the cars have, it's a fair and reasonable comparison.

2012 TOYOTA 86 GTS ZN6 Coupe Private Cars For Sale in WA - carsales.com.au

2012 TOYOTA 86 GTS ZN6 Cars For Sale in VIC - carsales.com.au - carsales.com.au

[elephino]

I think you helped me make my point about credability

By pointing out how Wheels run their COTY? If you're running an award where there is a single winner over a diverse range of products, comparing like with like (in this case criteria such as intended purpose) is much more sensible. You see otherwise you end up with the debate in this topic about 86 vs GTI. Wheels compare GTI to criteria and 86 to criteria and work out which one 'scores' better. Or to give a better disparity, how about Golf vs Mercedes S-Class?

[Candyman]

So they aren't similar but if you use criteria they are.

OK.

[SilvrFoxX]

By pointing out how Wheels run their COTY? If you're running an award where there is a single winner over a diverse range of products, comparing like with like (in this case criteria such as intended purpose) is much more sensible. You see otherwise you end up with the debate in this topic about 86 vs GTI. Wheels compare GTI to criteria and 86 to criteria and work out which one 'scores' better. Or to give a better disparity, how about Golf vs Mercedes S-Class?

Yes I appreciate the challenge.. but after all said and done.. you think the paperwork scoring for this criteria spat out the CRZ against all others.. and next year the COTY with be the FT86... I am not sure that Wheels carries much prestige anymore regardless of thier formula.

[Tobes_WIR35]

Maybe I should write a comparison between my GTI with my previous car, a Nissan Navara D40 STX. Hey, they both have four wheels and an engine, right? The Navara would win because there's no way the GTI could make it to the top of Fraser Island.*

[SilvrFoxX]

I am up for being a keyboard warrior for that one

[Transporter]

Yeah, it sounds like a great performer to me (NOT), sports car with the 205Nm@6,600 rpm.
I wonder, what the performance would be like on some hilly roads and with the 2-3 passengers with a bit of luggage ?

I guess, we just have to wait untill some time pass, to see if it was successfull car or not?

[WhiteJames]

^ I don't think you'd have any more than 2 passengers ... not unless they are under 7 years of age or short men that are amputee's as there's not room a person legs in the rear. Suprisingly ... the FT86/BRZ is quite drivable in the lower rev range, but yes, you do need to keep the revs up for fast motion uphills, requiring some foresight. I guess it more about the nature of performance, than quantity. I like the fact that it does rev out up to 7500 rpm and that the powerband is very linear. The boxer does have remnants of the std Liberty/Imreza boxer motor down low, only much more flexibility with the Toyota sourced direct injection & port injection (VW really needs this to prevent carbon build-up on valves & port inlets). Speaking of far out comparisons, have a look at this comparison between new & old. Back in the old days, they could have so stiff suspension due to less rigid chassis causing more flex. Best to stick with the new. On another note, the base model Toyota FT86 GT Coupe is more abundant for those not wanting to wait too long for their Coupe:

Toyota AE86 vs GT 86 review - Auto Express - YouTube

Cheers
WJ

[Candyman]

I am up for being a keyboard warrior for that one

Hey come on, you reached hero status a while back, stop being so humble

[Mountainman]

I couldn't agree more with that. Just look at specs. (power and torque) and I'm surprised that anyone wants to compare the two.

Maybe because they are both cars that appeal to drivers who really enjoy a good drive - one carries more passengers more easily while the other simply is a better drive. So what do you want - the cargo hauler or the best drive? (plus probably better resale, cheaper servicing and Jap reliability)