Golf GTI -v- Toyota FT86

[agotatsuya]

Mine isn't modified.

Seems you claim different tunes, times, power figures for your R depending on who you are trying to impress on various forums eh ?

Let's play.

[Transporter]

You know what they say about the 3 strikes.

[Candyman]

Seems you claim different tunes, times, power figures for your R depending on who you are trying to impress on various forums eh ?

.

Not sure what you mean but best to pm me if you want to discuss as this is off topic

Cheers

[SilvrFoxX]

In the defence of WJ, the R, purely from a "drivers car" standpoint is less of a match to the 86/BRX than the GTI.

Just saying

The response was to the post about the 1/4 mile comparisons.. happily accept that everyone's definition of "driver's car" is not aligned.

[Candyman]

The response was to the post about the 1/4 mile comparisons.. happily accept that everyone's definition of "driver's car" is not aligned.

Yes, makes perfect sense

I don't think anyone would suggest the 1/4 mile time would be valuable when evaluating the term "drivers car" but as you say, definitions are varied.

[DoggieHowser]

I understand the idea of horses for courses and that the Golf (in any incarnation) is very different from a front engined, rear wheel drive coupe.

But as car enthusiasts, isn't it always the case that we want to discover something fun/great about new cars? I'd hate to be stuck to a brand and overlook a genuinely great car in the process.

I get that the GTI can be faster than the 86. In the same way my R35 GTR was insanely faster than my friend's Boxster S.

But give yourself a bit of time behind the wheel of the Boxster S, and it becomes quite apparent that Porsche has uncovered a secret formula that makes the car feel like an extension of the driver and not merely a tool for getting from point A to point B. The GTR gets to that same level of involvement only (sadly) at the tracks when you are pushing 9/10ths. The Boxster on the other hand feels fun just going to the shops (though you probably couldn't get much shopping in the boot)

I haven't driven the 86, but if they have even captured 80% of the magic of the Boxster, it's got to be a winner in my books, especially at this price range.

[Candyman]

I love the styling (even moreso that Subaru lost the ugly stick)

I love seeing another RWD Toyota sports coupe

I love something new

The GTI/R misses on all of those points

Still think the comparison is strange however

[VWindahouse]

Well, not just lock it, if it gets bad enough, it could get deleted.

You seem like a reasonable kind of a fella, so for the love of God..... HIT THE DELETE BUTTON

[LeftFootBrake]

For those interested in knowing more about the 86's cargo capacity, I'd recommend the following reads:
My road bike fits in the trunk
Junk in the trunk
Impressive boot space

[Candyman]

Cargo space in a drivers car, why ?

[DoggieHowser]

Cargo space in a drivers car, why ?

First the haters said it wasn't as practical. Now when it's shown that it is, it's somehow a bad thing? Come on.

[Candyman]

First the haters said it wasn't as practical. Now when it's shown that it is, it's somehow a bad thing? Come on.

I don't hate it - see post above by me (and I've posted before about its sexy looks and more)

It is pushed as a drivers car by some in this thread, I just commented why cargo space was seen of value ?

[DoggieHowser]

Perhaps because it was a misconception that could be easily cleared up. Besides all cars are compromises in some respects and if this is a deal breaker for some, then perhaps that post could put the car back for consideration.

[Candyman]

Have you read those threads ?

Please read them and then post back

I'm serious

If you are considering this car and are seeing cargo space as a deal breaker, you are considering the wrong car, based on those threads

I'm actually looking forward to a WJ post, again, seriously, at least he focused on what this car is all about.

[parso_rex]

WJ,

I don't know how the 1/4 mile figures are derived but having been to a VW Drag day and seeing the Golf R on the strip, 15 second quarter would be an embarrassment.

Admittedly this R had a tune and DSG but a sub 13 second run is pretty standard. There were Stock GTIs doing sub 14s..

If the comparison to a GTI was confusing the introduction of the R moreso.

Shucks and 36C that day .........and then the downside, due to the temps every other car of ours ran the same MPH too

sort of on topic
There's a few turbo kits emerging for the twins now too, high mount and low mount variations (the Castle Hill Guys) and they're making decent gains for a lightweight like this. Still I wouldn't want to be trying get this mod engineered or insured. Down the track I'll be interested to see what we can do with the stock mapping once the map definitions are sorted ........ by the romraider guys (I can't be ar$3d)

Oh Carry on with unusual comparo

Cheers,

WJ fan 1072