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  • Don't know.. it was white so if it wasn't for the wing I wouldn't have even noticed it

    EVO about the BRZ - first time test looser - Subaru Impreza WRX STI Forums: IWSTI.com

    I can tolerate if it's not fast, but the car does not sound fun at all. They said that a Megane RS and even a 15 year old second hand WRX was more exciting, not to mention must faster (and in the Megane's case, some 5 seconds faster a lap over a short circuit). Here are some lines from the review:

    "You really have to throw it at a bend to achieve a slide worthy of a cornering shot, which is less than subtle and rather defeats the promise of this being a car to enjoy at less than banzai speeds"

    "Without the benefit of the steep downhill gradient the BRZ feels plain slow and a bit dull"

    "The tyres might be very ordinary and not very wide but they're not much troubled by the piffling torque. Most people would step out thinking it was a decently sorted front-driver"

    "To put it bluntly, if you've driven anything even moderately sporty, the BRZ's performance is limp. You have to cane the living daylights out of a genuinely unpleasant engine that emits a teeth-gnashingly awful soundtrack as you grind your way around to 7000rpm"

    "It's also easy meat for anything with a turbo diesel motor, unless you sacrifice all dignity and attempt your best Kamui Kobayashi impression on the brakes."

    "A front drive hatch is more fun than a car most people have described as something akin to the saviour of the performance car"

    "I hate to say it but the BRZ feels like it needs more power or a wet surface. Meanwhile, the bloke in the Megane on the same road is up to his neck in the action, grinning like a fool and wondering how you can have more fun than he is right now. And when you slow down and relax the Megane is simply a nicer place to be and feels more special. Yep oversteer obsessed Evo gives the nod to the front drive Megane"

    "The BRZ feels rather aloof unless you're thrashing the life out of it. You're bouncing up and down in your seat hoping it might help you climb back above 5,000rpm"

    "Any sense that you'll be constantly embroiled in tweaking the balance with subtle throttle, steering and braking inputs is pure fantasy."

    "It takes 10 minutes in the Imprezza turbo to highlight the BRZ's shortcomings. This let's not forget is a 1997 car with 100,000 miles."

    "It's a graphic illustration of how torque-to-weight and not power-to-weight makes for a quick, responsive and exciting car on the road."

    "We so wanted the BRZ to deliver, to make a stand for rear-drive, but it misses the target by a mile. It's not agile and adjustable and it's not much fun either"

    "The more you seek out that elusive moment of magic, the more the lack of torque frustrates and the faster you go until you find yourself in a vicious circle of cheek-puffing effort and clumsy provocation, all to no avail".

    "The nasty engine and fundamental lack of performance remain the elephant in the room"

    "This car feels very much like a triumph of hype over horsepower. I feel like the Grinch for saying so, but it's the inconvenient truth"

    So much hype shot down by a very well known and respected magazine. Then Car Magazine chimes

    Toyota GT-86 (2012) CAR review: a second opinion | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online


    "Sadly, the GT86’s lack of torque means that, in second gear corners such as the occasional hairpin, there’s barely enough low-down grunt to budge a surprisingly sticky back end, whilst, in third gear corners you’ll be going at quite a lick, making efforts to hang the tail out a somewhat daunting prospect for the potentially ham-fisted amateur at whom this car is so squarely aimed."

    "You have to be going at a pretty serious lick to extract the traction control off, tail-out drifting fun available. Track performance is largely irrelevant, because you have the full width of the road at your disposal and know that nothing’s going to be coming the other way. But on the road, you don’t, which restricts drifting diversions to corners you can see through."

    "Shackled by the quality of its own dynamic abilities: amateurs will want more grunt to extract traction-free entertainment at lower speeds, the more talented will want more grunt because well, they always do."

    "It’s the GT86’s very lack of power, or, to put it more precisely, low-end torque, that makes the car a less wholesome proposition for the target market – amateur enthusiasts who haven’t got a fortune to spend on their thrills - than intended."
    Last edited by SilvrFoxX; 02-09-2012, 07:38 AM.
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    • Originally posted by SilvrFoxX View Post
      This was up at the Castlehill Homemaker centre today.. WTF is with the wing..

      Don't you know a reincarnated shopping trolley when you see one But seriously "RICE" is back baby!

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      • Originally posted by SilvrFoxX View Post
        Don't know.. it was white so if it wasn't for the wing I wouldn't have even noticed it
        Sadly, if it was in RB, the wing would look even more ridiculous.

        How unfortunate for Toyota they only make a plain white, much like RB, it really has no impact.

        Now, if it was CW, would have made all the difference and that would address the shortcomings of the rest of the car.
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        • A shopping list on the front guards and bigger milo tin exhaust tips would do it!

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          • Originally posted by Candyman View Post
            Sadly, if it was in RB, the wing would look even more ridiculous.

            How unfortunate for Toyota they only make a plain white, much like RB, it really has no impact.

            Now, if it was CW, would have made all the difference and that would address the shortcomings of the rest of the car.
            Sadly you are right about if it was blue..

            Have to correct you on the white though.., looked like the Subaru Pearl white, very metallic with a blue sheen of pearl through it . Can't compare to the CW but as far as a white goes had some depth
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            • Originally posted by brimway View Post
              A shopping list on the front guards and bigger milo tin exhaust tips would do it!
              In true Japanese style I think you can already fit a toddlers head in those tips

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              • "You have to be going at a pretty serious lick to extract the traction control off, tail-out drifting fun available. Track performance is largely irrelevant, because you have the full width of the road at your disposal and know that nothing’s going to be coming the other way. But on the road, you don’t, which restricts drifting diversions to corners you can see through."
                This statement is arse about. The only place you can drift the FT86/BRZ is on the race-track/skin-pan. I agreed with all the comments made on the FT86/BRZ in terms of chassis adjustability, the coupes are that competent in the area of handling, but the journos are missing the point in that tail-out antics on the street is a big no no. Fast lap times are boring. The fun is organising 3-4 skin pan drive days and having some fun in the wet in a closed environment. Other than that, the FT86/BRZ are hugely capable vehicles as day to day work horses. Bearing what EVO and CAR mags state, our own local journos in MOTOR mag rate the Toyota and Subaru FT86/BRZ as 1st and 2nd place for driver enjoyment.
                Cheers.
                WJ

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                • Originally posted by WhiteJames View Post
                  This statement is arse about.
                  Cheers.
                  WJ
                  WJ said arse



                  Edit - WJ, it is "skid pan" not "skin pan" unless you are talking about something you do with a female
                  Last edited by Candyman; 02-09-2012, 01:03 PM.
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                  • Originally posted by Candyman View Post

                    Edit - WJ, it is "skid pan" not "skin pan" unless you are talking about something you do with a female


                    You are being discriminatory .. WJ may like Skin panning blokes.. so pull ya head in!

                    WJ,

                    Jokes aside, the reality is the hype is starting to fade and the reality is starting to present. I have always said it is an underpowered unit, you will have to wave the flag very hard in support/defense for all its other attributes. My guess is once they get the right go fast bits bolted on it will be hard to match. The problem here is you are wrestling with insurance and warranty and resale. To bring back the comparison conversation which is moot in my mind you can get this all ouf the box for the price of a well optioned GTI
                    Last edited by SilvrFoxX; 02-09-2012, 02:11 PM.
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                    • Jokes aside, the sort of person rejoicing at the thought of the fun a cheap, light, rwd, ground-up sports car can provide wouldn't think twice about a Golf GTI.

                      The moment you attempt to downplay the 86 citing a lack of power, is the same moment you ought to move on to glorified fwd hatch's with bigger numbers on paper. They are perfectly suited to you.

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                      • The GTI is glorified for good reason

                        A jack of all trades and with a few minor mods, master of many

                        A nice place to be on a daily basis with quality interior and ageless styling

                        I've said before I like a lot about the 86, mostly the styling but it falls short of the GTI in too many areas to be a competitor.

                        It's all been said before.
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                        • Originally posted by Candyman View Post
                          ...but it falls short of the GTI in too many areas to be a competitor.
                          And thank goodness for that!

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                          • Originally posted by brenno View Post
                            The moment you attempt to downplay the 86 citing a lack of power, is the same moment you ought to move on to glorified fwd hatch's with bigger numbers on paper. They are perfectly suited to you.
                            I did.. that is why we are all on a VW forum..
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                            • Originally posted by SilvrFoxX View Post
                              I did.. that is why we are all on a VW forum..
                              Congrats! Although I'd hope there would be at least a few of us interested in a more driver-focussed offering from VAG. There isn't much to offer at the moment.

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                              • I see , so we should all discount the R division and forget what it stands for...
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