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Anything more than around 250kw@4 wheels as a daily driver in a 2L is not going to be a nice daily.
My R33 Skyline with 335kw@wheels was a pig as a daily....
My R33 Skyline with 335kw@wheels was a pig as a daily....
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Tiguan Gen2 162TSI Etuners IS38 Stage 3 238.6 kw@4 wheels -
How’s the drive, traction and power delivery after a week of driving? Have you had a chance to do a launch yet with LC? I’m getting lots of wheels spin.....I could imagine you’d be struggling a bit also. I added a pendulum mount which firmed it up some more, the next step is for better tyres...also after 20k km and many launches those stock tyres are getting a bit bald...Originally posted by twyat1 View PostVW Tiguan 162 TSI Highline w/ R-Line & DAP. Mods: OEM IS38 turbo, APR IS38 98 RON ECU tune, TVS Stage 2 + with custom TCU tune, APR Downpipe and resonator delete, APR turbo inlet, VWR turbo muffler delete, APR pendulum mount, APR dog bone insert, APR Open Pod Filter (MQB), RAMAIR intake tube, APR Red Ignition Coils, NGK R7437-9 Spark Plugs, DBA T3 slotted rotors front and T2 slotted rotors rear, ATE ceramic pads front and rear Vbox: 0-100 4.1sComment
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The drive, in my opinion, is nicer than stage 2 is20. The is20 hit full boost at 2k RPM and that made it a bit touchy to drive. It's now a lot more docile under 3k RPM making it very nice to daily. Launch controlled it once at the 3k RPM, slight wheel spin but it puts it down just so well. I don't really drive it in sport too much but i believe that would make traction much more interesting. At 30k km and I was told my Contis should last until 45k km, I will then be moving to Michelin P4S.Originally posted by Melbourne_Tiggy View Post
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I don’t think I would want any more than 250 with stock internals. That’s around 330 engine kw.Originally posted by Dan_3MPS View Post
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Probably had old tech, my prev setup made 372kW and was all in by 3800rpm in 3rd. Billet compressor wheels help quite a bit, new setup in the R33 sietbok should make well over 420kW (waiting for fabricators) and I'm aiming all in by 4200rpm at most, with positive manifold pressure by 2500rpm.Originally posted by INASNT View Post
Manual car so just keep the RPM higher haha.
DSG is a bit harder as you get off the line at pretty much idle, unless you abuse LC
Daily 2018 Tiguan MK2 Sportline (Drag & Drop Tune, 12.9s @ 108mph)
Weekend/Track 1996 Skyline R33 GTS-t Stage 99 (Built Motor, GTX3576 Gen 2, 407rwkW) [Build Thread]
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GT30 with 0.86 rear and 0.76 front, Power FC and Greddy Profec B, full boost by 4300rpm, this was back in 2002 so tech at the time.. Found some old pictures..Originally posted by Dose Pipe Sutututu View PostProbably had old tech, my prev setup made 372kW and was all in by 3800rpm in 3rd. Billet compressor wheels help quite a bit, new setup in the R33 sietbok should make well over 420kW (waiting for fabricators) and I'm aiming all in by 4200rpm at most, with positive manifold pressure by 2500rpm.
Manual car so just keep the RPM higher haha.
DSG is a bit harder as you get off the line at pretty much idle, unless you abuse LC
Tiguan Gen2 162TSI Etuners IS38 Stage 3 238.6 kw@4 wheelsComment
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Must have cost you a bomb back then too! Z32 and PowerFC!
Funny how things don't change lol, nek minnit there's a Borg Warner EFR7163 on the side of your motor 😂Daily 2018 Tiguan MK2 Sportline (Drag & Drop Tune, 12.9s @ 108mph)
Weekend/Track 1996 Skyline R33 GTS-t Stage 99 (Built Motor, GTX3576 Gen 2, 407rwkW) [Build Thread]
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That’s a pretty nice and clean engine bay! It would have been a beast back in the day.Originally posted by INASNT View Post
Have you been looking for a dbv2 or an rs3?VW Tiguan 162 TSI Highline w/ R-Line & DAP. Mods: OEM IS38 turbo, APR IS38 98 RON ECU tune, TVS Stage 2 + with custom TCU tune, APR Downpipe and resonator delete, APR turbo inlet, VWR turbo muffler delete, APR pendulum mount, APR dog bone insert, APR Open Pod Filter (MQB), RAMAIR intake tube, APR Red Ignition Coils, NGK R7437-9 Spark Plugs, DBA T3 slotted rotors front and T2 slotted rotors rear, ATE ceramic pads front and rear Vbox: 0-100 4.1sComment
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14psi it made 260kw@wheels, 24psi it made 335kw@wheels, it tried to kill me if I drove on the street at the higher power level...Originally posted by Melbourne_Tiggy View Post
No decision on the turbo upgrade or next car as yet........Tiguan Gen2 162TSI Etuners IS38 Stage 3 238.6 kw@4 wheelsComment
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It al did, custom made turbo manifold and dump pipe setup also, was not much off the shelf around those days. Was waiting for the engine to go bang before I rebuilt it but it never did, I was using a 50% 108 octane mix when tracking it ($8 a litre). Got married and built first house so didnt happen...Car sat in the garage for nearly 1 year unused before I ended up selling it to some 19 year old...Originally posted by Dose Pipe Sutututu View PostTiguan Gen2 162TSI Etuners IS38 Stage 3 238.6 kw@4 wheelsComment
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Been talking to Underground about a few things, finially a IS38 tiguan vs stage 2 dyno graph.
My Goal will be closer to 250@4 wheels...Tiguan Gen2 162TSI Etuners IS38 Stage 3 238.6 kw@4 wheelsComment
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Saw that on UGP Facebook page...Originally posted by INASNT View Post
Dario took the plunge with a UGP Stage 3 is38 upgrade on his Tiguan today. Installed and tuned in just 4hours. A great vehicle, now with great power! It absolutely rips! 33kw & 40nm over stage 2 on the is20
- UGP Stage 3 tune - 216awkw/ 465nm (26psi taper)
- UGP Stage 3 DQ380 DSG tune
- Audi S3 facelift is38 turbocharger
- Full bolt-ons prev. installed (intake / downpipe / cooler)
Get in tough for your Tiguan power solution today!
Underground Performance - The BIG one for the Tiguan! 👍 #teamUGP
Torque curve looks interesting, fair gain with IS38. Interested to see some performance numbers. With the TCU flash, it’s actually a DQ500 Bosch that’s in the Tigs not the DQ381, however both use the same TEMIC chipset.VW Tiguan 162 TSI Highline w/ R-Line & DAP. Mods: OEM IS38 turbo, APR IS38 98 RON ECU tune, TVS Stage 2 + with custom TCU tune, APR Downpipe and resonator delete, APR turbo inlet, VWR turbo muffler delete, APR pendulum mount, APR dog bone insert, APR Open Pod Filter (MQB), RAMAIR intake tube, APR Red Ignition Coils, NGK R7437-9 Spark Plugs, DBA T3 slotted rotors front and T2 slotted rotors rear, ATE ceramic pads front and rear Vbox: 0-100 4.1sComment
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Agreed nice to see some real world numbers not just brochure “claimed” figures.Originally posted by INASNT View Post
Stock figures for the 162TSI is 135-140kwaw which I’ve verified (mine ran 141 on another dyno).
There’s some decent gains from going IS38. Not sure I’d call this stage 3 - more like stage 2.5 perhaps.
Interested on what turbo/mods you are looking at to achieve those numbers?Originally posted by INASNT View Post
That’s where I’m hoping to be, however I’m looking for a nice daily driver not just a peak number on the dyno.
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Few options i am looking at.Originally posted by tigger73 View Post
Same not after a dyno queen, 250 is a nice round number to aim for.. My other cars have had similar numbers at one stage of their mods, felt like it was just right for the street...Tiguan Gen2 162TSI Etuners IS38 Stage 3 238.6 kw@4 wheelsComment
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Really want to see what your makes.. Ever considered trying a custom tune now that you have run in the IS38?Originally posted by Melbourne_Tiggy View PostTiguan Gen2 162TSI Etuners IS38 Stage 3 238.6 kw@4 wheelsComment
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