Tigger73's 162TSI Sportline

[Razor80]

This dyno is hard to please. Stage 2 Mk7 R’s were 201-218kwaw so the Tig was decent amount more that these.

Full dyno day results here: 2019 VWW Dyno Day


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Really impressive, just can't get over howmuch torque your running now!! How does it drive, when the turbo kick in?
What's next on the agenda?

[tigger73]

Really impressive, just can't get over how much torque your running now!! How does it drive, when the turbo kick in?
What's next on the agenda?

Yes that was similar comments to the dyno guys. It'll be down to the size wheel as the Tig runs a bigger diameter tyre than most of the Golfs. Also how big and fat the torque curve is. I'll have to do some calibrations on rpm vs. road speed to work out where we are at in terms of RPM.

In terms of what's next is a decent set of tyres, Golf R exhaust and maybe a rear brake upgrade and paint the rear calipers to match the front. Other than that in terms of performance mods I'm done - really cosmetic stuff from here on.

[davman]

Tigger, did you end up getting to see what the Tiguan Stage 1 results where?

[tigger73]

Tigger, did you end up getting to see what the Tiguan Stage 1 results where?

Yes the stage 1 Tig ran 153.6kwaw. Though I don't know what the stock figure is on this dyno was. Seems everyone was reading 10-20kwaw lower than expected.

[Razor80]

Yes that was similar comments to the dyno guys. It'll be down to the size wheel as the Tig runs a bigger diameter tyre than most of the Golfs. Also how big and fat the torque curve is. I'll have to do some calibrations on rpm vs. road speed to work out where we are at in terms of RPM.

In terms of what's next is a decent set of tyres, Golf R exhaust and maybe a rear brake upgrade and paint the rear calipers to match the front. Other than that in terms of performance mods I'm done - really cosmetic stuff from here on.

Your car must feel like a rocket now with all that torque! How do you like the DSG tune? I found mine to be really responsive with no hesitation in D and in S well seems to be tuned perfectly in tune with the turbo.

Btw what was your intake temp? Will you fine tune it again or your happy with the results and responsiveness?

[tigger73]

Your car must feel like a rocket now with all that torque! How do you like the DSG tune? I found mine to be really responsive with no hesitation in D and in S well seems to be tuned perfectly in tune with the turbo.

Btw what was your intake temp? Will you fine tune it again or your happy with the results and responsiveness?

The DSG tune is reasonable in terms of remapping the shift points, however it still requires a few tweaks to get a good launch. I've tried a couple of launches earlier today and it's only 0.1s faster using a launch compared to mashing the throttle in M mode and shifting manually. Usually a "good" launch will gain around a second (may be less at the pointy end of 4 sec 0-100's).

We logged the intake temps the other night and as soon as you get air flow over the intercooler the intake temps drop right down. I don't think I'll have any issues with intake temps running the Wagner intercooler. The only concern I have is the larger volume core taking longer to build boost. However this is more of a problem with a smaller turbo (IS20) than with the hybrid IS38 as the IS20 just doesn't move the same volume of air.

I honestly think with a few adjustments to the DSG, O2 sensor delete and possible added crackle(??) to the tune this will pretty much be "done" and I won't touch the tuning. It'll be more cosmetic mods from that point forwards.

[INASNT]

So TTE and Snail making roughly the same max power outputs...

Interested to see where they make power on the curve / rpm....

[tigger73]

So TTE and Snail making roughly the same max power outputs...

Interested to see where they make power on the curve / rpm....

We're both running the exact same tune file... basically a copy/paste of each other.

[INASNT]

We're both running the exact same tune file... basically a copy/paste of each other.

Surprised running exactly the same file as the turbos are no 100% the same. Thought yours would be further tweeked to suit

[tigger73]

Surprised running exactly the same file as the turbos are no 100% the same. Thought yours would be further tweeked to suit

If I ws in Melbourne that would possibly have been the case. I still may go for a road trip some time in the future, but for now I am happy how it's running. Fuel trims are good. Both cars got tuned on Caltex 98 which is the fuel that I use and the turbos are rated within 5hp of each other so reality there is not going to be massive amount of difference.

[Melbourne_Tiggy]

The DSG tune is reasonable in terms of remapping the shift points, however it still requires a few tweaks to get a good launch. I've tried a couple of launches earlier today and it's only 0.1s faster using a launch compared to mashing the throttle in M mode and shifting manually. Usually a "good" launch will gain around a second (may be less at the pointy end of 4 sec 0-100's).

This file is more potent than your original file, possibly a little more in it with some custom dyno time and BP ultimate tuning.

Is there a bit of a torque kick at 4K rpm?

How did you go with the gtech measurements for 0-100?

[tigger73]

This file is more potent than your original file, possibly a little more in it with some custom dyno time and BP ultimate tuning.

Is there a bit of a torque kick at 4K rpm?

How did you go with the gtech measurements for 0-100?

This is the quickest file for sure and also has most boost. There's possibly a little in it with BP Ultimate, however I run on Vortex98 (not my choice as work fuel card) so it doesn't make sense to tune it on BP fuel.

I've edited the dyno plot to add on RPM figures. I've calculated the rpm's based on 3rd gear and stuck these onto the curve. Basically in 3rd gear you're doing 60km/hr at 3,000rpm so you can work everything else out from there:



You can see by the torque curve it's actually pretty flat (no massive peaks) but you do definitely feel it come onto boost. It's at max torque from around 3,500rpm to 5,000rpm and pulls well from 2,000rpm.

That's also why the torque figures are higher as the run has been done in third (although I did request 4th gear).

I did go back out to do a Gtech run but didn't get any better than 4.4sec. I think there's a few factors at play here including grip (side of roads is often a bit dirty/gravel) and the fact that there's a "soft" launch with boost being limited in 1st gear. I think this is done mostly to protect the drivetrain.

[iDiesel]

Am I reading the graph right?
Over 900nm of torque?

Do you have any concerns over the drivetrain lasting - is the DSG, Haldex and other bits and pieces going to last the few years you’ll have the car, even if just driving like miss daisy?

[tigger73]

Am I reading the graph right?
Over 900nm of torque?

Do you have any concerns over the drivetrain lasting - is the DSG, Haldex and other bits and pieces going to last the few years you’ll have the car, even if just driving like miss daisy?

It's actual measured torque at the roller on the dyno. If you want to get to engine torque then you have to take into consideration the gear ratio (3rd gear), diff ratio, roller diameter and wheel/tyre size.

There's a good explanation here: Dyno Torque Figures – “The Truth”

So given my run was in third gear and I'm running a decent size wheel/tyre the measured torque figures are quite high. It would have been better to run in 4th gear and then the gear ratio would have been 1:1 so that would have taken gearing out of the equation at least.

[INASNT]

This is the quickest file for sure and also has most boost. There's possibly a little in it with BP Ultimate, however I run on Vortex98 (not my choice as work fuel card) so it doesn't make sense to tune it on BP fuel.

I've edited the dyno plot to add on RPM figures. I've calculated the rpm's based on 3rd gear and stuck these onto the curve. Basically in 3rd gear you're doing 60km/hr at 3,000rpm so you can work everything else out from there:

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You can see by the torque curve it's actually pretty flat (no massive peaks) but you do definitely feel it come onto boost. It's at max torque from around 3,500rpm to 5,000rpm and pulls well from 2,000rpm.

That's also why the torque figures are higher as the run has been done in third (although I did request 4th gear).

I did go back out to do a Gtech run but didn't get any better than 4.4sec. I think there's a few factors at play here including grip (side of roads is often a bit dirty/gravel) and the fact that there's a "soft" launch with boost being limited in 1st gear. I think this is done mostly to protect the drivetrain.

When would you say you get full boost by?