Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[SilvrFoxX]

Re: Golf R -v- Golf GTI

No. Because I needed a car in 2011, not 2014.

Hehe.. Obvious I would have thought

[andrew7]

First review of the GTI performance edition here: Volkswagen Golf GTI Performance Edition Review | Autocar

Interesting point regarding the limited slip diff- sounds like its bridged part of the gap to the handling of the AWD R....refer below

"This is the first time that any front-wheel-drive road car has been offered with an electronic controlled limited-slip differential (rather than a purely mechanical unit) and, on the road, it endows the new GTI with a quite uncanny combination of stability and traction.

It works in a similar way to the various torque vectoring systems that you get in most Porsches nowadays (spot the connection there?) and it makes the GTI feel much like a four-wheel-drive car on the move in that there is grip available seemingly everywhere.

Understeer is virtually non-existent, and the traction it produces, not just on smooth roads but rough ones, too, is ever so slightly surreal in practice. If ever an option was worth £980, this is it.."

[Ideo]

Hehe.. Obvious I would have thought

The man involves himself in the life of his neighbours who take 2 years to make a decision, then put a deposit on a car, then change their mine and buy the dealer a fruit basket for their troubles.

Obvious, even rational, doesn't enter into it.

That said, I like his suspension analysis stuff.

[SilvrFoxX]

Re: Golf R -v- Golf GTI

First review of the GTI performance edition here: Volkswagen Golf GTI Performance Edition Review | Autocar

Interesting point regarding the limited slip diff- sounds like its bridged part of the gap to the handling of the AWD R....refer below

"This is the first time that any front-wheel-drive road car has been offered with an electronic controlled limited-slip differential (rather than a purely mechanical unit) and, on the road, it endows the new GTI with a quite uncanny combination of stability and traction.

It works in a similar way to the various torque vectoring systems that you get in most Porsches nowadays (spot the connection there?) and it makes the GTI feel much like a four-wheel-drive car on the move in that there is grip available seemingly everywhere.

Understeer is virtually non-existent, and the traction it produces, not just on smooth roads but rough ones, too, is ever so slightly surreal in practice. If ever an option was worth £980, this is it.."

So .... Tune it and there will be no wheelspin. Where do I sign?

[WhiteJames]

Golf 7 GTI: Electro-Mechanical Haldex LSD

You guys need to get your facts straight ... Ray has bought two Golfs (R and demo GTI just recently) and rescinded on both purchases. But he is waiting for the Mark 7 GTI and R to arrive before next purchase. Over 6 years with an R32 is a long time (and lots in maintenance costs).

Mark 7 Golf GTI Power-Pack receives a full five stars ***** from autoexpress.co.uk with adaptive chassis dampers now beefier & able to work across each axle in unison:

VW Golf GTI Performance Pack 2013 review | Auto Express

What is interesting to see is that the haldex electro-mechanical LSD on the Power-Pack GTI gives the driver the ability to specify the speed and abruptness of the haldex LSD plate lock-up. This appears to be done via the dashboard centre screen ... see pic re: front differential lock function:

Volkswagen Golf GTI pictures | 10 | Auto Express

Not so sure that a GTI can feel like an AWD with Haldex LSD Power-Pack ... that's what they also said about the MK6 Golf GTI with XDS re: AWD feeling. Having said that ... AWD's do understeer a bit around apex and on power-out. The GTI should give some rear end adjustability with less weight in the rear re: mid corner lift-off.

Cheers.
WJ

[SilvrFoxX]

So what is going to happen when the MK7 comes out and the reviews for the MK8 start up,, start the recinding process again..?

There is a phrase that covers it Urban Dictionary: **** or get off the pot

[Mi16 Man]

Golf R -v- Golf GTI

There is a phrase that covers it Urban Dictionary: **** or get off the pot

Love it!!!

Took me 15mins to decide to buy a GTI, even when I hadn't test driven one!

Money was originally on a 6R CW 5dr Polo GTI worth $37k but for $5k more, I was offered a MK6 GTI which was on display.

SOLD!

[WhiteJames]

EVO: 4/5 stars

Okay ... to be fair ... EVO Magazine ... the driver's mag ... has given the new Mark 7 Golf GTI Power-Pack with DCC a 4 star **** rated out of 5 stars:

VW Golf GTI Performance mk7 review | evo

Sounds like the new MQB chassis is a bit more composed than the MK6 chassis. Looks like the MK7 Golf GTI DSG 5 door with Power-Pack should be around 44K-45K on the road. With a couple of tasty options (Drivers Pack, DCC, ACC) perhaps 48K-50K. Wouldn't bother with the 19" wheels, although appears that they have to be bundled with DCC as a package. Apparently AUS release date for new GTI is September 2013.

Cheers.
WJ

[Silvertfox]

Golf R -v- Golf GTI

Stop it you guys! You are making my side hurt and my eyes to water every time I read the new BS! Applying brakes to tame a FWD to be more like an AWD. That's just funny! It just makes the FWD behave better.
If you want AWD performance you need to buy the available R, if you want a fun FWD then you need to buy a current GTI. If you want to wait for the next version of anything you are welcome.
I'd rather drive a MK6 R now, because I'll probably be able to buy the MK8 R when my lease runs out and bag all those with a dodgy MK7 R.

[SilvrFoxX]

2800 posts and you want us to stop now.. no wai ,, as long as WJ keeps the chuckles coming I'm in

But just so WJ has more to salivate over http://www.caradvice.com.au/227852/v...-power-output/

[WhiteJames]

More Mark 7 Golf GTI goodness ... on video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96fxpepWb7w

Cheers.
WJ

[andrew7]

Keep up the good work SF and WJ: 3000 posts here we come!

[WhiteJames]

Autocar.co.uk Video : Mark 7 Golf GTI

Autocar.co.uk journo Steve Sutcliffe's assessment of the MK7 Golf GTI.

The E-diff Haldex LSD on the Power-Pack appears to have two modes: Normal and Sport. No doubt Sport would lock up faster & harder for less understeer & more pull out of corners. Interesting to see that understeer is greatly reduced compared to the MK6 Golf GTI without sacrificing and rear end grip as the case can be when going for f&r adjustable aftermarket sway bars. The Mark 7 Golf GTI has 15% added roll stiffness over the MK6 GTI, helping it stay nice & flat and composed in the corners. E-diff is a must. See video link:

Volkswagen Golf GTI Mk7 video review Car Video | Autocar

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Golf 7

Had a bit of time to inspect to the new Golf 7 today. If the MK6 and MK7 were balloons, it appears that the MK7 is a Mark 6 that is blown up about 15% to much & needs some air let out if it. The rear lights improve the look in an audi way. The front end slope is out of character with the rest of the Golf 7's wedginess and the Golf 7 seems to look a bit more like a Golf Plus imo. Merc has made their A-Class look more hatchback like, VW has made the Golf 7 look more like an earlier model Merc A esp around the tall bonnet.

Inside the Golf 7 TSI, both on the std and high spec models, the rear plastic on the sill of the rear windows appears to have gone from soft touch to hard plastic. Well, on my GTI, the rear door passenger sills are soft touch plastic. The Ford Focus has soft front & hard rear door sill plastic which also appear to be a mismatch ... I don't like it and it appears to be an obvious sign of cost cutting.

I'm sure the Golf 7 drives better, but I thought it would look longer, wider and flatter in the external body ... it somehow doesn't. I also checked out the BRZ and FT86 while at motor city ... these coupes seem to give you a more sense of occassion when stepping into them, despite having a overall cheaper interior & radios/SatNav, although most the things a driver touches (ie steering wheel, grab handles) most of the time are reasonably good quality in the twins. BRZ wait time is down to 4 months now and only 40K d/away with a few options.

Still think my MK6 Golf GTI with slightly lower ride height looks better than the Mark 7 Golf with exception of the rear end. The Sirocco's in stock appear to be aging and are a bit easier for entry & egress in and out of the driver's seat than the BRZ/FT86 twins. Long doors are always an issue for garage/carparks.

Cheers.
WJ

[SilvrFoxX]

Re: Golf R -v- Golf GTI

Nooooo

I think I agree with you