Golf R 3 door/5 door speculation/information thread

[Corey_R]

Actually, no, ...... the S3 has quietly been upped to 195kw/350NM about 2 years ago .....

I know... overseas... Yet in Australia it's still 188kw/330NM according to Audi's site and Redbook etc.

[Tim]

Try something like a Ford Fiesta or a Mazda 2, both would be significantly better as they are lighter.

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[dave_r]

This German Auto Bild review of 5 hatches sheds a bit of light. Bear in mind that testing regimes often varies with all sorts of variables. This article is good in that it compares Golf R -v- Audi S3 Sportback, which a are siblings.

Thanks for the videos, I'll check them out later but it sounds like there isn't any factual proof of this alleged performance deficeincy other than peoples "bum on seat" feelings which don't cound for anything IMO. It sounds like you prefer a harder edge hot hotch to get your thrills so the R obviously will not appeal given that it is made to be a well balanced all round packge of both performance and comfort.

I hightly doubt the R will not be capable of the times being claimed.

Calling it the 'headlight surrounds' is stretching the truth. But the first two pictures show the difference. I'll put them here

No big deal then!

Try something like a Ford Fiesta or a Mazda 2, both would be significantly better as they are lighter.

LOL, good point! You should be in sales

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Damn, beat me to it!

[Sharkie]

I know... overseas... Yet in Australia it's still 188kw/330NM according to Audi's site and Redbook etc.

No ... in Australia ... download the S3 specs from Audi OZ and on page 12 it states 195kw/350NM for all Australian delivered S3s ... also, whilst the websites mostly still states 188kw/330NM, in fact Aus delivered S3s now come in 195kw/350NM only ... they made no fanfare about it .... kept it quiet ...

[dave_r]

No ... in Australia ... download the S3 specs from Audi OZ and on page 12 it states 195kw/350NM for all Australian delivered S3s ... also, whilst the websites mostly still states 188kw/330NM, in fact Aus delivered S3s now come in 195kw/350NM only ... they made no fanfare about it .... kept it quiet ...

When did this change happen? I have the S3 PDF grabbed for VIC about a month or so ago and it still has 188/330?

[Sharkie]

When did this change happen? I have the S3 PDF grabbed for VIC about a month or so ago and it still has 188/330?

Not sure, I downloaded the specs in Sept 2009 and it was there already ... http://www.audi.com.au/etc/medialib/....0039.File.pdf

Checked it now and still there on pg12 ...... and on pg 13 its audi.com.au so its Oz specific ....

[Corey_R]

No ... in Australia ... download the S3 specs from Audi OZ and on page 12 it states 195kw/350NM for all Australian delivered S3s ... also, whilst the websites mostly still states 188kw/330NM, in fact Aus delivered S3s now come in 195kw/350NM only ... they made no fanfare about it .... kept it quiet ...

Not sure, I downloaded the specs in Sept 2009 and it was there already ... http://www.audi.com.au/etc/medialib/....0039.File.pdf

Checked it now and still there on pg12 ...... and on pg 13 its audi.com.au so its Oz specific ....

Sorry Sharkie, but in this case you are mistaken. I already checked this before your first post that I quoted. If you read correctly the last page of the brochure you linked to, you would see that it states that this is not an Oz specific brochure, and that specifications, details, options etc are not available in all countries.

If you look at the the actual prices and specification guide for NSW (there'll be different ones for each state with different prices), the power is still 188kw/330NM.

[dave_r]

Been browsing a bit of YouTube which I never do and found this video...
YouTube - Golf R vs Golf Gti
Too many unknown variables though

Really thought there would be more videos and stuff like that but no...

[Corey_R]

It also says Golf R 270pk vs 245pk. I'm not sure what 'pk' means, but if they mean 'PS' (as in Metric Horsepower), 270PS is what the 199KW R is, and 245PS would be close to the figure of what the Stage I ECU upgraded GTI is. With that little difference between them, since it's a rolling start, and a straight line, they should be about equal - which is what the video shows. Eventually the Golf R might start pulling out, but not until the upper limits of the speed.

[dave_r]

I wasn't reading too much into it, just bored at work and itching for my new car

[shakespeare]

Hi guys,

Thought I'd step into this fascinating discussion I'm currently in that "which car do I get next" place and am considering the R. Currently have a Mazda 6 MPS, which is why the R is my first choice, similar performance and AWD. Thought I'd add that straight line performance is not what AWD's are really about - yes they'll launch quickly, but what I like the best is it's ability to power out of corners, particularly with loose surface or wet roads. I'm always amazed with the traction levels in these situations. In comparison my wife has a Jetta 147TSI and whilst sometimes I find this quicker off the mark (which is contrary to the manufacturers and magazines 0-100 times) powering out of corners on wet roads introduces significant stepping in of the traction control!

So for AWD standstill accelleration, you really need to punish the driveline to get a quick time, the fun lies in how quickly you power out of corners

Cheers guys, look forward to more reading on the R, can't wait to test drive one!

[Corey_R]

So for AWD standstill accelleration, you really need to punish the driveline to get a quick time, the fun lies in how quickly you power out of corners !

Very good point. AWD standstill acceleration is a killer on the drive train! Even the motoring press have admitted in articles that they'd NEVER treat their own cars how they have to treat WRX's and the like to get the 0 to 100 times they publish in their articles. But 0 to 100 is a largely useless figure anyway. It only applies to 'traffic light warriors' who are ok with breaking the law (cause I dont' know many traffic lights in 100kph zones!).

[Swallowtail]

Hey Shakespeare! So thinking of saying goodbye to the 6? I tell you now, I haven't regretted buying my R after the MPS 6 for 1 minute. Even if mine is the R36 variety not the Golf... Be good to have you onboard if you come over to the dark side LOL...

Hi guys,

Thought I'd step into this fascinating discussion I'm currently in that "which car do I get next" place and am considering the R. Currently have a Mazda 6 MPS, which is why the R is my first choice, similar performance and AWD. Thought I'd add that straight line performance is not what AWD's are really about - yes they'll launch quickly, but what I like the best is it's ability to power out of corners, particularly with loose surface or wet roads. I'm always amazed with the traction levels in these situations. In comparison my wife has a Jetta 147TSI and whilst sometimes I find this quicker off the mark (which is contrary to the manufacturers and magazines 0-100 times) powering out of corners on wet roads introduces significant stepping in of the traction control!

So for AWD standstill accelleration, you really need to punish the driveline to get a quick time, the fun lies in how quickly you power out of corners

Cheers guys, look forward to more reading on the R, can't wait to test drive one!

[graeme86]

God, I hope it doesnt really sound like this:

YouTube - Golf 6 R, Auspuff offene Klappe

Sounds like an old pensioner with bad wind.

[Corey_R]

It'll sound exactly like that! Cause listening to the sound of a car, probably recording on some video phone, encoded in the sludge wrapping of youtube, and played back through some notebook speakers is such an accurate representation of reality