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[Corey_R]

I saw this over at the GTD thread, but it mentions THREE GTI versions.
The GTI
This GTI-R/R20T that we're discussing here.
AND an even hotter version they dub the R42

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Volkswagen-Golf/235190/

So this 'R42' is supposedly going to have the same engine as the TT-RS - the 2.5L turbo. That'd be insane!

[gerhard]

I saw this over at the GTD thread, but it mentions THREE GTI versions.
The GTI
This GTI-R/R20T that we're discussing here.
AND an even hotter version they dub the R42

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Volkswagen-Golf/235190/

So this 'R42' is supposedly going to have the same engine as the TT-RS - the 2.5L turbo. That'd be insane!

That article is dates Sept 2008 - far too long ago to still have credence. There has been no mention of the 2.5 5cyl ince then, so I reckon it's just too "optimistic" We'd all love that engine in an AWD Golf, I reckon

[Mr Messy]

New R20T spy pics on www.carmagazine.co.uk

[gareth_oau]

I saw this over at the GTD thread, but it mentions THREE GTI versions.
The GTI
This GTI-R/R20T that we're discussing here.
AND an even hotter version they dub the R42

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Volkswagen-Golf/235190/

So this 'R42' is supposedly going to have the same engine as the TT-RS - the 2.5L turbo. That'd be insane!

wouldnt an R42 have the Audi 4.2 V8? now that WOULD be hott!!

[gregozedobe]

Maybe VW are going to follow BMW's lead. The last 2 digits of a BMW's model badge used to denote the engine capacity, but once they started to turbocharge their engines it now denotes "power level" or somesuch, so IIRC it goes something like this :

328 = 3.0l NA (some power)
335 = 3.0l single turbo (lots of power)
340 = 3.0l twin turbo (lots & lots of power)

A "d" suffix means it is a diesel.

So far VW have stuck with straight engine capacity for their R series of cars, but I can see why they mightn't want to label their hi-po GTI with a high output turbo 2 litre petrol as "R20" when it is replacing the R32.

[Sharkie]

There is lots out there pointing at a R20/GTI-R and almost nothing at anything bigger than that. So I'm not going to worry about it. R20T will be my last VW. I'll hang on to it for a long time as well so Stg3+ kit will be in its future. Next VAG car after that will be Porsche...... Anybody saw the articles on a Cayman with the TTS engine ??????

HOWEVER,

I saw spypics today of a RS3 ...... S3 5 door sportback with TT-RS engine doing track testing in Germany. 2.5 I5 turbo motor .... Now that would be interesting ..... and very very expensive for a hatchback .... think $90K ....

[MrGadget]

New R20T spy pics on www.carmagazine.co.uk

Hmm, why is there door protection mouldings?

[gerhard]

Hmm, why is there door protection mouldings?

For the same reason there's no fog lights, and a TDI badge, and gaffa tape holding the roof and the side panel on. Disguise

[Sharkie]

Spent sometime yesterday in a MK6 118TSI. I have to say the new interior is so much better than the MK5's. It is awesome. I'm trying to imagine what the R20T would possibly have inside, as atm even the 118TSI is good.

Waiting ... waiting .... waiting ..... (sigh)

[MrGadget]

For the same reason there's no fog lights, and a TDI badge, and gaffa tape holding the roof and the side panel on. Disguise

The central twin tail pipes don't fool me

[decksla]

im not sold on the looks of the new r20 tbh.

i cant get the "toureg" bum image out of my head.

im sure the 4wd and slight performance increase will make up for it, but i still think the mk5 is better looking.....

....much the same way i think the mk3 looks better than the mk5

[dasauto]

Maybe VW are going to follow BMW's lead. The last 2 digits of a BMW's model badge used to denote the engine capacity, but once they started to turbocharge their engines it now denotes "power level" or somesuch, so IIRC it goes something like this :

328 = 3.0l NA (some power)
335 = 3.0l single turbo (lots of power)
340 = 3.0l twin turbo (lots & lots of power)

335 is twin turbo
340 may possibly be a figment of your imagination

the last two digits refer to displacement/100, I believe this is still the case, but exceptions exist.

[Sharkie]

im sure the 4wd and slight performance increase will make up for it,

....much the same way i think the mk3 looks better than the mk5

Slight performance increase ????? Mate, it should be a huge performance increase .... MK5 GTI 0-100km/h 7s (averaged DSG & man) R20T 0-100km.h 5.7s (using S3 figures which is less powerful)

And I agree Mk3 is better looking than Mk5

[Sharkie]

The R20T could be close than we think. Drive had an article online yesterday. Stating as much as 210kw and more importantly .... debut in October at Frankfurt with European deliveries starting late 2009 ....

They estimate Australian deliveries to start early 2010 ....

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=62112&s_rid=smh:rainbowstrip:content2:09-04:9-4_golf:golfgtisbigbrotherspied

I'm barely going to have time to sort the Tiguan out before the R20 arrives at my door

[gregozedobe]

dasauto, you must have missed reading the bit where I qualified what I said 3 times :

"power level" or somesuch, so IIRC it goes something like this :

the last two digits refer to displacement/100, I believe this is still the case, but exceptions exist.

They certainly do, and seeing as you wanted to be pedantic, I did a quick search (just for your education ), and look what I found for recent 6 cyl BMW 3 series cars:

323i 2.5 litre
325i 3.0 litre
328i 3.0 litre
330i 3.0 litre
335i 3.0 litre

So out of five models, only ONE had the actual capacity/100 on the bootlid, but FOUR were different (that seems more like a rule than an exception to me )

I think I may have proved my point, so if you want to continue this "discussion" please do it via PM so we don't clog up this VW thread any further.