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[Sharkie]

Current information has it as the TTS engine (201kw) not the S3 (188kw). By the time the R20T launches it is more likely to be a new version of the A4/Q5 engine that has many new features.

[RhysQ]

Current information has it as the TTS engine (201kw) not the S3 (188kw). By the time the R20T launches it is more likely to be a new version of the A4/Q5 engine that has many new features.

yeah sorry thats the one....i knew it was 200kW anyway

[Sharkie]

The new gen 2.0T motors as now seen 1st in the A4 and Q5 has moved away from the K03/K04 turbo models and are using IHI turbos.

This coupled with many other internal changes will likely see much more tuneability for the next gen going forward.

Base power now starts at 155kw/350NM. Chip alone should see around 200kw. Oettinger's 1st pass at it already has it 11kw more than GTI chipped.

R20T likely (I'm hoping) to get this new gen motor suitably enhanced to make 200+kw.

Also since the Q5 has a 7 speed DSG hooked up to this new 2.0T it may be the option for the R20T as well. Only problem is both the new A4 and Q5 uses it in longitidunal setups not transverse as was the MK5 R32.

[RhysQ]

R20T likely (I'm hoping) to get this new gen motor suitably enhanced to make 200+kw.

A good set of coilovers and it would be an absolute track weapon!

Will the IHI turbo's spool a lot slower, meaning boost on a 3K+. That's the advantage with the KKK turbo's, they were early spooling for boost on earlier and a large power band.

[Sharkie]

Will the IHI turbo's spool a lot slower, meaning boost on a 3K+. That's the advantage with the KKK turbo's, they were early spooling for boost on earlier and a large power band.

Not sure, but it makes 350NM from 1500-4200 rmin which indicates an early and very wide powerband with 155kw @ 6000rmin.

[RhysQ]

oh ok, which VF code are VAG using in the engines. The Rex STI's use the VF35 to VF43 don't they?

The VF22 would be a good aftermarket option for the R20T...... they max out at about 400-450hp

[gerhard]

The new gen 2.0T motors as now seen 1st in the A4 and Q5 has moved away from the K03/K04 turbo models and are using IHI turbos.

This coupled with many other internal changes will likely see much more tuneability for the next gen going forward.

Base power now starts at 155kw/350NM. Chip alone should see around 200kw. Oettinger's 1st pass at it already has it 11kw more than GTI chipped.

R20T likely (I'm hoping) to get this new gen motor suitably enhanced to make 200+kw.

Also since the Q5 has a 7 speed DSG hooked up to this new 2.0T it may be the option for the R20T as well. Only problem is both the new A4 and Q5 uses it in longitidunal setups not transverse as was the MK5 R32.

I don't think you will see the Audi DSG transmission in the Golf - as you say, the Audi is north-south configuration, Golf is east-west.

This means the engine torque will have to be limited to 350nm in the DSG model, since that is the published maximum for the VW box.

The Nurgurgring Sciroccos were running only 350nm, so it's doubtful VW will deliver more in a production version of the car. I read somewhere that they have fed it 550nm reliably in a couple of test mules, and there are quite a few chipped cars running more than 350 with no apparent problems.

[jayjay]

not to get too off topic, but the q5 uses a 7speed dsg with a 3.0 turbo diesel with 500nm stock.. so i'm guessing they have the next generation of dsg with higher torque handling capabilities.

i think i'd prefer an r20 scirocco.

[Sharkie]

Yeah 3.0tdi Q5 has 7speed DSG and 500NM. The next gen DSG have been much improved and is much stronger.

This tech is now flowing through to base VWs as both the Mk6 Golf and the next Polo will have 7 speed DSGs available. FWD and transverse engines.

Very likely then will be available in the next GTI and in the R20T. Mine though will be a manual ........

My reasons for having ordered a R20T is ..... 2.0T and AWD in a VW body.

Scirrocco will not make it to OZ (and only has 4 seats). Will likely end up driving a 2.0T Tiguan (or a Q5) soon as a replacement for the wife's RAV4 whilst waiting for the R20T to arrive.

[gerhard]

not to get too off topic, but the q5 uses a 7speed dsg with a 3.0 turbo diesel with 500nm stock.. so i'm guessing they have the next generation of dsg with higher torque handling capabilities.

i think i'd prefer an r20 scirocco.

Yeah 3.0tdi Q5 has 7speed DSG and 500NM. The next gen DSG have been much improved and is much stronger.

This tech is now flowing through to base VWs as both the Mk6 Golf and the next Polo will have 7 speed DSGs available. FWD and transverse engines.

Very likely then will be available in the next GTI and in the R20T. Mine though will be a manual ........

My reasons for having ordered a R20T is ..... 2.0T and AWD in a VW body.

Scirrocco will not make it to OZ (and only has 4 seats). Will likely end up driving a 2.0T Tiguan (or a Q5) soon as a replacement for the wife's RAV4 whilst waiting for the R20T to arrive.

Gentelmen, the Audi 7 speed DSG is not the next gen VW DSG.

It's a completely different animal which is never likely to be in a VW car, since none of the current VWs can accommodate north-south engine. It's a shame, as the Selectronic is a beautiful design which is able to handle massive torque, much more than 500nm is possible.

The 7 speed dry clutch DSG that VW is now using was not flow-on tech from the Audi 7 speeder, either. Both were developed independantly, but of course sharing the twin clutch design. VW developed the 7 speeder for smaller engines and cars than the 6 speeder. It's a lot lighter and not as strong and loses the clutch oil supply and cooling circuits.

Here is a link to a good article with pictures of the new 7 speed S-Tronic. The 6 speed S-Tronic is much the same as the 6 speed VW DSG if not the same.

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/677/the-new-audi-s-tronic-7-speed-gearbox

[Sharkie]

Thanks Gerhard, that makes it all much clearer, great info. Pity though .....

Q5 just climbed a notch on my estimation ladder .....

[gerhard]

Thanks Gerhard, that makes it all much clearer, great info. Pity though .....

Q5 just climbed a notch on my estimation ladder .....

I spent a lot of time drooling over the Q5 at the show - my pick for the 1800kg beast is the V6 diesel (slightly detuned Touareg motor) but at $72000 it's a big ask when you can get the Touareg for $75000. Extra $3000 for a larger, dual range equipped vehicle? The Touareg would win for me here.

It seems to go all right with the 2.0 turbo, but I reckon 1800kg is a bit of a haul for the small engine. The wide ratio spread possible in the S-Tronic obviously enables a high ratio for highway cruising and a low 1-2 for launching in traffic, thus giving a good average consumption of 8.5. But I reckon it would be around the 11.0-12.0 around town.

Beautiful car, though. $59,900 for the 2.0 petrol or diesel, watch out if you tick any options I have the price and specification list in front of me.

71990 V6 Diesel
1900 Paint
1065 Electric Tailgate
760 Colour Coding
1915 Electric seats with memory and climate control
6200 Navigation system

83830 Phew !! Roll on Tattslotto

[Transporter]

I spent a lot of time drooling over the Q5 at the show - my pick for the 1800kg beast is the V6 diesel (slightly detuned Touareg motor) but at $72000 it's a big ask when you can get the Touareg for $75000. Extra $3000 for a larger, dual range equipped vehicle? The Touareg would win for me here.

It seems to go all right with the 2.0 turbo, but I reckon 1800kg is a bit of a haul for the small engine. The wide ratio spread possible in the S-Tronic obviously enables a high ratio for highway cruising and a low 1-2 for launching in traffic, thus giving a good average consumption of 8.5. But I reckon it would be around the 11.0-12.0 around town.

Beautiful car, though. $59,900 for the 2.0 petrol or diesel, watch out if you tick any options I have the price and specification list in front of me.

71990 V6 Diesel
1900 Paint
1065 Electric Tailgate
760 Colour Coding
1915 Electric seats with memory and climate control
6200 Navigation system

83830 Phew !! Roll on Tattslotto

Did you get the on road price without any option?

[gerhard]

Did you get the on road price without any option?

No, but it would go something like this in Vic

59900 rrp
3000 Dealer delivery ? guessing
800 Reg
1725 Stamp duty

65,425 Approx.

[gregozedobe]

$ 6,200 Navigation system

How many people would actually spend that much on a navigation system !! ? Or does it include a great sound system with magic fingers and a guaranteed "happy ending" too ?