golf R

[limmy]

sharkie - would be interested to see this link you speak of. did they use launch control?

my point being - i still think the R20 will be quicker than the current S3.

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HOWEVER when VW took the press to a drag strip to "prove" their claims the manuals beat the DSGs over the qrtr every single time ........ (I can provide a link to the press report on this)

[tdi guy]

HOWEVER when VW took the press to a drag strip to "prove" their claims the manuals beat the DSGs over the qrtr every single time ........ (I can provide a link to the press report on this)

That bit of lag (and the press still reports on this in every test and I experienced it on a recent testdrive of the Q5) of a DSG upon pull-off when the lights turn green means the manual is gone ......

Doesn't launch control overcome the lag by pre-selecting 1st and engaging the clutches?

TG

[Sharkie]

Yeah, I also believe R20T will be quicker than S3 ... both manual or DSG.

VW developed launch control in response to the embarrassement at the drag day ...... which improved things immensely but still don't match a properly driven manual on the strip. I'll find the link and post up.

However, you can't go around and use launch control every time you stop at a set of lights so the hesitation will still be there .... ... Some say you get used to it .... I won't though.

EDIT: found the link .... http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?...icleId=2470517

[Zed!]

Yeah, I also believe R20T will be quicker than S3 ... both manual or DSG.

VW developed launch control in response to the embarrassement at the drag day ...... which improved things immensely but still don't match a properly driven manual on the strip. I'll find the link and post up.

However, you can't go around and use launch control every time you stop at a set of lights so the hesitation will still be there .... ... Some say you get used to it .... I won't though.

EDIT: found the link .... http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?...icleId=2470517

Yeah if i wanted a traffic light dragster I wouldn't have opted for a DSG.

[gregozedobe]

So, what badges can we expect to see on these new Golf GTIs with extra go-power ?

I'm guessing "GTI-R" for the awd S3-alike, and maybe "Golf RS" for the super duper twin turbo insane one (in the unlikely event that VW actually do make them, and the even less likely event that they actually sell them here in Oz).

I can't see the marketing bods being keen on an "R20" as identifying the replacement for the current "R32".

I personally still have my doubts as to whether either will actually be sold in Oz, as they would be too close to Audi S3s and RS3s in performance and handling, but at a signficantly lower price.

[Sharkie]

Not too worried about the badge on the car to be honest. Whatever it will be called I'll be happy ....

VW's head of development/engineering has confirmed the R20T/GTI-R's indtroduction at the Frankfurt Motorshow in October and that it will be AWD and be on sale in Europe late 2009. So it will definately be built. It may actually make a sneek preview at the 24hr Nurburgring event in May ..... keep your eyes peeled .... (same as the Scirrocco did in 2008 )

VWA dealers are busy taking orders on it, so they must be confident of its arrival in Australia in 2010. In contrast, they are refusing to take orders on the new Scirrocco, so that to me is a definate indication ......

Not so sure is the 2.5TT version (As in RS3/TT-RS). I also think it to be very unlikely that this car would make it into production. I'd love to see it but am doubtful. For instance the 2.5l N/A has been axed from the USA's MK6 line-up but that was a V5 and not a L5 so not really comparable.

[mr gee]

Yeah, I also believe R20T will be quicker than S3 ... both manual or DSG.

VW developed launch control in response to the embarrassement at the drag day ...... which improved things immensely but still don't match a properly driven manual on the strip. I'll find the link and post up.

However, you can't go around and use launch control every time you stop at a set of lights so the hesitation will still be there .... ... Some say you get used to it .... I won't though.

EDIT: found the link .... http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?...icleId=2470517

When the Golf V first came out with the DSG and launch control, Best Motoring did a side by side test and the manual lost.

[tdi guy]

When the Golf V first came out with the DSG and launch control, Best Motoring did a side by side test and the manual lost.

http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/25/volkswagen-dsg-direct-shift-gearbox/

enjoy...

[Sharkie]

http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/...shift-gearbox/

enjoy...

LOL ... I don't think a couple of Japanese guys with no real timing equipment and what looks like a std road proves anything. Seems to me their "timing" equipment also started working when the car started moving which proves absolutely nothing.

The problem with DSG is not how fast it shifts, which is brilliant, but the very noticable hesitation you get off the line when working according to a set of external lights.

That hesitation is so noticable that every respectable motor magazine in the world comments on it and it would drive me nuts in daily driving, not even to mention on the odd occasion I'd like to start fast.

Thanks, but no thanks, manual it is for me. Sticking it in D for "Dummy" just won't do ....

[gregozedobe]

The problem with DSG is not how fast it shifts, which is brilliant, but the very noticable hesitation you get off the line when working accoding to a set of external lights.

Thanks, but no thanks, manual it is for me. Sticking it in D for "Dummy" just won't do ....

I'm with Sharkie on this one - mind you, if I did a lot of driving in stop-start traffic I might reconsider

[gareth_oau]

D for "Dummy"

Love it!!!

I'm a manual driver through and through!!

[Zed!]

LOL ... I don't think a couple of Japanese guys with no real timing equipment and what looks like a std road proves anything. Seems to me their "timing" equipment also started working when the car started moving which proves absolutely nothing.

The problem with DSG is not how fast it shifts, which is brilliant, but the very noticable hesitation you get off the line when working according to a set of external lights.

That hesitation is so noticable that every respectable motor magazine in the world comments on it and it would drive me nuts in daily driving, not even to mention on the odd occasion I'd like to start fast.

Thanks, but no thanks, manual it is for me. Sticking it in D for "Dummy" just won't do ....

That is definitely the downside to DSG and it's f**king annoying! But it really is negated by the speed at which you can change gears. I can drive a section of road, going down a hill, round a roundabout and exiting at speed, doing 6/7 gear changes in 3 or 4 seconds. A manual could never compete and I guess within 5 years(?) most performance cars will have a DSG style box as standard. Maybe.

[Lima]

More R20 spy shots



200kW Golf R20 4motion one step closer to reality

Also, check out Autocar for more images.

Official confirmation is expected to be announced by VW at the Frankfurt Motor Show in about four weeks.

[RhysQ]

The front bar looks very similar design to the Studie R Scirocco (pictured below).... and is that mesh on top of the bonnet.....bonnet vents like the Studie R?? Also, are those DRL's I see at the top of the side grills, or just indicators?

Either way will look damn sexy.

[phaeton]

I can't wait till Frankfurt

I've taken the week off work so I can post all new VW models unveiled.

So far expected..........
Golf R
Golf 6 Wagon
Polo 3dr (possibly GTI) [like Astra 3dr style]
Amarok
T5 revamp
Touran facelift
Tiguan facelift
One Litre Concept
New Lupo (electric ??) (rumour)
Golf BlueMotion consuming 2l per 100km (rumour)

and a whole heap of new variants with BlueMotion technology which comprises of EcoFuel, Stop Start, new 1.6 TDI, new Twin Turbo TDI, electric drives and much more.

Possible unveils
Eos facelift
Sharan mk2 (probably unveiled at Bologna in December)
Phaeton facelift (Geneva or Leipzig)
Touareg facelift (LA or Detroit)