golf R

[G-rig]

The Pirelli was 169 KW up from the standard 147 KW on the MKV GTI right?

Wouldnt a chipped R20 exceed the 169 KW by a bit?

The APR tune for S3/Pirell gets 239kW so assumed it mat be similar given the same engine etc? Hard to know if they can get the same percentage of extra power as I assumed the factory already get a bit extra out of it..

[Corey_R]

Yeah... the APR ECU on the Golf R will do 240KW/435NM via its AWD. So it'll be nothing like a Pirelli and better than a S3 (unless you put the same ECU upgrade on the S3 that is! hehe)

[Christopher]

Yeah... the APR ECU on the Golf R will do 240KW/435NM via its AWD. So it'll be nothing like a Pirelli and better than a S3 (unless you put the same ECU upgrade on the S3 that is! hehe)

Then mod the exhust to get some deep soulful tones and you have one bad ass hot hatch roaming around...

[G-rig]

Yeah... the APR ECU on the Golf R will do 240KW/435NM via its AWD. So it'll be nothing like a Pirelli and better than a S3 (unless you put the same ECU upgrade on the S3 that is! hehe)

Well you should compare apples with apples and the S3 would have the same output with a tune as well.

[Corey_R]

Yeah... the APR ECU on the Golf R will do 240KW/435NM via its AWD. So it'll be nothing like a Pirelli and better than a S3 (unless you put the same ECU upgrade on the S3 that is! hehe)

Well you should compare apples with apples and the S3 would have the same output with a tune as well.

um... I already did... in the exact line you quoted!

[Sharkie]

Golf R/S3/TTS/Pirelli (Ed 30) all have the same engines. Difference is in the stock ECU tune only.

Stock R/S3/TTS is quicker than a 240kw Pirelli/GTI; don't kid yourself by thinking anything else. AWD is a huge advantage. 200+kw and FWD just don't go well together. Say what you want to try and justify anything else .....

Modded R/S3/TTS will leave daylight between it and any FWD Golf .....

[G-rig]

um... I already did... in the exact line you quoted!

I must have missed the last part, but pretty obvious an S3 without a chip won't be as good as a Golf R with one.
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[elisiX]

I think Sharkie sums it up well.

But as I said earlier, just because the R is going to be quicker overall, does not mean its better value for money or suitable for every person's situation than the GTI MK6.

If it were, i'd wait and buy the R.

[G-rig]

Golf R/S3/TTS/Pirelli (Ed 30) all have the same engines. Difference is in the stock ECU tune only.

Stock R/S3/TTS is quicker than a 240kw Pirelli/GTI; don't kid yourself by thinking anything else. AWD is a huge advantage. 200+kw and FWD just don't go well together. Say what you want to try and justify anything else .....

Modded R/S3/TTS will leave daylight between it and any FWD Golf .....

I think we were talking about engine output at the flywheel (comparing the different cars) not awkw. Obviously awd is a huge advantage but also weighs an loses more.

[Sharkie]

... But as I said earlier, just because the R is going to be quicker overall, does not mean its better value for money than the GTI MK6.

Agree completely, the value of money equation is what may kill the idea of buying a R off for me completely.

I think the GTI @ $40K is really good value, a R @ $65K very unlikely to be so for me.

Best value for money VW at the moment is a 200kw Tiguan ... AWD and quicker than even a chipped GTI .... at $40K on the road in manual form with a few options ..... it is mind boggling to think you can get what is basically an R for that kind of money .... which is why I bought my wife 1

[elisiX]

Really? I didnt know that about the Tiguan.

[Tim]

I think the point a lot of people miss is that these are for most people a road car which will never see a track. It doesnt matter how you look at it a high powered fwd car will be slower than an awd car for sure. But will it be less fun? A good fwd car is actually very entertaining to drive whereas many awd systems create quite a numb driving experience.

Give pops, farts, wheelspin, sideways, understeer, oversteer, squirming and good steering feel all in one package and im sold.

Im unsure what my next car will be but im open minded. AWD is the answer to traction problems but sometimes it can be a detraction from a car in so many important areas as well. It needs to feel good.

at the end of the day everyone has their own opinion though. When it comes to personal preference im not sure if its possible to be wrong?

[G-rig]

Agree completely, the value of money equation is what may kill the idea of buying a R off for me completely.

I think the GTI @ $40K is really good value, a R @ $65K very unlikely to be so for me.

I agree, GTI's are great value until you over capitalise on them in which case you may as well get an R/R32.

Best value for money VW at the moment is a 200kw Tiguan ... AWD and quicker than even a chipped GTI .... at $40K on the road in manual form with a few options ..... it is mind boggling to think you can get what is basically an R for that kind of money .... which is why I bought my wife 1

Until you hit a corner.

Still, that's a fair bit of power!

[Sharkie]

Really? I didnt know that about the Tiguan.

Yep, MK6 GTI engine and AWD (4Motion) from the R32 in the petrol Tiguans as standard ...

[Sharkie]

Until you hit a corner

Common misconception that .... with H&R sport suspension & the AWD it drives and handles like a GTI .... ... only with more power ...