A Bunch Of Merged "My New Car / Order" Threads

[G-rig]

There's the secret folks, you need to confute the dealer. Apparently, it works every time.

It works for Confucius .

Sounds like a good deal though, don't think I would have gone as far to screw them out of every last cent and agree the service department would still like the business.

I'm not in sales but not many people would like to be spoken to in such a manner and would have told you to shove it.

Also there is very little to no chance of getting the car in April if you're only ordering now (esp with all those options) but hard to know really.

[Glennb]

this thread is great... just for the entertainment value alone!

i spent 3 hours in a dealer, then he was pissed off my price and starting eat his noodle...(lunch) and ignore me totally,......

later the manager came out and ask this sales person "everything alrite?" (the sales person looks really nervous), i yelled this manager and ask him for a help. ......:

Personally, i wouldn't do business with someone with your attitude, but luckily i'm not in sales, and as long as you are happy, then well done.

And in your defence, you were being screwed around by the Glen Waverley dealer on the delivery, probably because they knew you needed it by a certain date and were squeezing you for more on that basis.

...he might receive your car in april or may then sell it at a higher price for profit, then your car probably will arrive in August! listen, if you are willing to pay 48750 (250 more than glen), i secure your car delivery in late April! we put the delivery date into the contract and i give you a free tank of fuel, how about this?!

As i understand it, GTI Manufacturing doesn't start until Week 6 of 2010 (2nd week of Feb), and although i don't know when they stopped making them, this means that orders made in November, December and January will all be allocated builds as soon as they start up again.

So for those saying that November orders will be filled first in April and a Jan order won't be here 'till August, it's more likely that all back orders will be manufactured and shipped together (or at least very close together), and April or early May will still be the delivery dates for Factory orders made up till about the first week of Feb.

Would be interesting to see the production rate for the VW Golf line in Germany??

[Lima]

When I visited the MINI factory in Oxford there was no order the the production, that is, a Cooper S might be followed by a Cooper Cabrio, then followed by a JCW Cooper S and so on.

I have been to Autostadt, but unfortunately didn't get time to do a factory tour, however I'd be surprised if Wolfsburg didn't follow a similar production model to Plant Oxford. That is, I doubt GTI production would have "stopped".

Maybe someone who's done a Wolfsburg tour can confirm.

[Maverick]

When I visited the MINI factory in Oxford there was no order the the production, that is, a Cooper S might be followed by a Cooper Cabrio, then followed by a JCW Cooper S and so on.

I have been to Autostadt, but unfortunately didn't get time to do a factory tour, however I'd be surprised if Wolfsburg didn't follow a similar production model to Plant Oxford. That is, I doubt GTI production would have "stopped".

Maybe someone who's done a Wolfsburg tour can confirm.

Australia get's allocated/negotiates certain production slots. Each slot can build so many cars and sometimes there can be restrictions in the slots (for example there may be a supply issue with RNS 510's as occurred to me which pushed my car back).

When the orders go in and the slot is full or because of a restriction the order goes into the next slot.

The cars for Australia would all come out around the same time and be taken to port in one batch and parked in the one area for loading onto the ship (again I assume into the same area to make loading/unloading easy).

It's probable that Australia has no slots over the Christmas period.

The only batching up they do I think is for the paint booths, they have four I think for the Golf line and each booth will paint all one colour and when another colour is to be done (there are 8 I think for Australia) the booths robot cleans and changes over to the other colour itself which takes around 15 minutes.

Wolfsburg shuts down for 16 days over Christmas each year, they shut down for 21 in 2008 because of declining sales.

[SpeedBird]

Car salesman are not that smart, like real estate agents they lie over things to get your business thru the door. At the end of the day, YOU need to trick him over and let him agree to selling you the car you want at the price you are happy to part with.

Once a deal is signed, im sure that dealership is making some money from it.

If not then, it wont be in business long.........

[Nath]

Yeah the most closely guarded secrets in the car industry is what the manufacturer sells the vehicles to the dealer for, cant say what the difference would be but I'm pretty sure that they always make some level of profit on a sale as you said otherwise they'd go bust.

[rikard1]

i believe the dealers buy the stock from the manufacturer at wholesale prices and then sell them at retail price like any other business. also i believe VW pays the dealers a commission on each unit moved so even if the dealer sells a car at zero profit they still get some cash and come out on top.

also, i think a ship comes to aus every four months, its not like a ship comes over every week so of course the cars r sent in batches of whatever has been built in the four months since the last ship. however if they dont have enough cars to send to make it worthwhile, say the ship would be half empty, they'd just skip a shipment and send it with the next one meaning australia might not receive a shipment for 8 months since the last ..i believe this happened once last year.

as for wdong, i dont think what he did was such a bad thing. the glen waverly people stuffed him around so when he went for some lunch and had a chance to ponder he decided to give some1 else a go, i wouldve done the same thing ..although i wouldve walked out long before any yelling or table thumping, ive walked in and walked straight out of dealerships because i didnt feel like i wanted to deal with any of the people there. im not rich by any means but i care just as much about who i give my money to as how much i give and the two r directly related. posting his price here, i dont know ..i think his point was dont forget to check out south yarra before u buy. good luck with ur car and wedding wdong

[rikard1]

also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtbyV...eature=related

[Nath]

i believe the dealers buy the stock from the manufacturer at wholesale prices and then sell them at retail price like any other business. also i believe VW pays the dealers a commission on each unit moved so even if the dealer sells a car at zero profit they still get some cash and come out on top.

also, i think a ship comes to aus every four months, its not like a ship comes over every week so of course the cars r sent in batches of whatever has been built in the four months since the last ship. however if they dont have enough cars to send to make it worthwhile, say the ship would be half empty, they'd just skip a shipment and send it with the next one meaning australia might not receive a shipment for 8 months since the last ..i believe this happened once last year.

Umm yeah.... wholesale is a given however the secret is what is that wholesale price? Most items of supply you can obtain informaiton as to what the wholesale is but I cant say I ever heard what wholesale on a vehicle from any manufacturer is. Thus the secret.. If RRP of a 4 dr DSG is what 42990 wholesale could be anything from say 25K to 40k landed, if its closer to the latter then its easy to understand a dealer not wishing to go lower, but I doubt very much the margin on a VW is as low as 2-3k, you're probably looking at a landed cost of around 30-35K per unit to make the business sustainable and even then they arent going to get rich with those sorts of margins

As for the supply chain well we could talk for hours about that function, forecasting, sparing analysis etc etc etc as its part of my job to design and analyse those hugely exciting things, but when it comes to moving volume of units they would start with a small taster for the new model as they have done and then assess the market based on new orders and then ship a small percentage of additional units for demo's/those customers who walk in and walk out with a vehicle. The majority of this sort of business however would be based on orders and given the cost of shipping is pretty high for sea cargo, especially for vehicle I'd say, then I would assume that there is a minimum number of overall units that they require across the board prior to making a shipment to Aus, this may combine other builds across the VW group, however probably not, and may or may not include shipping some of the units to NZ. Lots of variables to take into consideration...

As for the origins of this thread, he got a good deal, not a world shattering one though 12% or there abouts is good, I got around that to walk out with existing stock 2 weeks after release of the GTI. Good for him, he'll love the car, and I'm sure all will be forgiven/forgotted when he uses the dealer for service work etc.

[Maverick]

i believe the dealers buy the stock from the manufacturer at wholesale prices and then sell them at retail price like any other business. also i believe VW pays the dealers a commission on each unit moved so even if the dealer sells a car at zero profit they still get some cash and come out on top.

Dealers buy from VWA not VAG. It's the importers job to deal with the dealers. If they get a commission they haven't sold a car at zero profit, the cost of a car to the dealer would be their cost price taking into account commissions plus a percentage for running costs. Salesmen would know that when they hit that cost they will get SFA commission.

also, i think a ship comes to aus every four months, its not like a ship comes over every week so of course the cars r sent in batches of whatever has been built in the four months since the last ship. however if they dont have enough cars to send to make it worthwhile, say the ship would be half empty, they'd just skip a shipment and send it with the next one meaning australia might not receive a shipment for 8 months since the last ..i believe this happened once last year.

A ship is arriving around every 10 days, you can see all the ships that comes to Australia from a few of the tracking websites. The ship stops in many countries along the way and not just Australia and also carries other VAG cars.

There is no way that Australia could go 8 months without a shipment, that would effectively mean the end of all VAG products in the country!

[SpeedBird]

There is no way that Australia could go 8 months without a shipment, that would effectively mean the end of all VAG products in the country!

In 2009 VWA sold just over 30,000 cars in total according to VFACTS, so that means 580 cars a week are sold. Ships would have to arrive pretty frequently as you need to have display floor stock, demo cars for test rides, stock coming in and in transit, and cars being built as you order.

So ships arriving every 10-14 days or so sounds about right on the money there.

Its a cycle and the VWA HEAD stock controllers job is to juggle supply and demand on all models to make the dealer network happy.

[wdong]

as for wdong, i dont think what he did was such a bad thing. the glen waverly people stuffed him around so when he went for some lunch and had a chance to ponder he decided to give some1 else a go, i wouldve done the same thing ..although i wouldve walked out long before any yelling or table thumping, ive walked in and walked straight out of dealerships because i didnt feel like i wanted to deal with any of the people there. im not rich by any means but i care just as much about who i give my money to as how much i give and the two r directly related. posting his price here, i dont know ..i think his point was dont forget to check out south yarra before u buy. good luck with ur car and wedding wdong

thank you Rikard1, i will remove my price after this post, my purpose is that, if you really want to get a good price for your car, you have to had some serious research! i did lots pricing research here, and even dealers, what i found is, most vw dealer are too big, owns by few large companies, but some dealer such as South Yarra, own by a local couple, so that, i think they are keen to a sale, does not like glen waverley, they are no. 1 in australia, they dont mind to lose a sale, too hard to bargain, but! i found lots low price came from glen waverley! so i decide give it a try, then go to south yarra! im not a rush buyer, i did my research for 3 weeks and get my confidence to neg with a dealer. just because your guys' price helped me, then i want share my price to the ppl who prepare to buy. buying a car is a big thing, especially for this GTI, nearly 500k, of course i have to make the best money saving deal, i think every ppl would do the same thing as me, will you ignore the potential possiable 2k dollar down if you heard about some dealers can deal with you?!

[Nath]

thank you Rikard1, i will remove my price after this post, my purpose is that, if you really want to get a good price for your car, you have to had some serious research! i did lots pricing research here, and even dealers, what i found is, most vw dealer are too big, owns by few large companies, but some dealer such as South Yarra, own by a local couple, so that, i think they are keen to a sale, does not like glen waverley, they are no. 1 in australia, they dont mind to lose a sale, too hard to bargain, but! i found lots low price came from glen waverley! so i decide give it a try, then go to south yarra! im not a rush buyer, i did my research for 3 weeks and get my confidence to neg with a dealer. just because your guys' price helped me, then i want share my price to the ppl who prepare to buy. buying a car is a big thing, especially for this GTI, nearly 500k, of course i have to make the best money saving deal, i think every ppl would do the same thing as me, will you ignore the potential possiable 2k dollar down if you heard about some dealers can deal with you?!

Hey Wdong, dont think you need to worry, this place fires up occasion dont take it to heart most of the ppl here are genuinely nice, as for the price there is actually a price thread (well a couple) and spreadsheet and a number of people have posted their purchase prices to help people out, so I wouldn't be too bothered about taking yours down.

Now you just have the agonising wait for the car to arrive.

[VW Central]

Sounds like they just did the deal to make the bare minimum amount of money and get you the hell out of their showroom. Who wants an annoying prat coming into their showroom for hours at a time hounding them for "big time best deal"? I'd prefer to go through life being nice to people and have them show me the same respect. At the end of the day, most people will negotiate with the dealer for the lowest price both parties are comfortable with - and they won't pay more than they can afford. Only the truly stingy or arrogant will try to squeeze every last cent out of a stone regardless of how they act.

Agree completely!! I have found, if you treat people nice and fair, they are more inclined to help you and go out of their way to please you.

Just to rub it in, I got my Pirelli for $46,000 driveway which is faster and more powerful than your new GTI

[logger]

Signing a contract to buy a car that you have to wait 4 months to collect is a bit like like buying an Option. It has two components, its intrinsic value and its time value. The time value represents a discount. I would never disclose my purhcase price until my MK6 was signed, sealed and delivered. As they say a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Incidentally I had no joy with South Yarra VW and had got an exceptional price from Glenn Waverley VW for a TSI118, so South Yarra is not the panacea. One brief phone call and I had the car within 7 days. Last time I looked it was pretty much the best price on the spreadsheet except for one other buyer that had a long delivery wait..