Lakeside Laps v13 - 24 February 2013

[grandturismo]

[QLD] Lakeside Laps v13 - 24 February 2013

I'm in, nappy and all.

[syhm1984]

If we are talking about morgan park then people needs cams licenses. I brought this idea up while ago but no one keen. If anyone want to make it happen, let me know. I got some contact for Morgan park

[THE_EGG]

The problem with that one is that there are some cars that are slower through corners (Ben's E30, Lito's Mk4 etc) but can belt along the straight really well.
So the problem comes up when the AWD cars and the Lotus have to slow down for a corner as there are there are cars in fornt that can't corner as fast, but then lose the advantage to overtake on the straight when they would normally carry more speed through and overtake easily.

I agree to this. I think the best way is to floor the guts out of the car for say the first ~third of the straight (but keep left) and then if there is someone attempting to get past behind you on your right, slow down and let them pass. This is generally what I do, or if I see someone right up my ass through the back of the track I'll go say about 120-140km/h down the straight, let them pass and use it as a cool down period for the car. I remember even in my previous DS3 I was held up through the back of the track at times and then not allowed to get past and this frustrated the crap out of me.

In one of my onboard videos you will see Daniel in his Skoda Fabia vRS give it a bootfull in the first bit of the straight but then let me pass just before the kink. Good example me thinks. Just need to make sure not to overtake at too higher speed if you're on the kink

[seangti]

If we are talking about morgan park then people needs cams licenses. I brought this idea up while ago but no one keen. If anyone want to make it happen, let me know. I got some contact for Morgan park

I can also organise through SDT (Safe Drive Training), but that's going to cost some reasonable coin, bank on $300+ each for half a day track time. Though it can be just us with some SDT guys, or can organise for proper driver training too.

But this talk is diluting this thread.

[steve_666]

add Me 2 please Clay, i missed driving at the last one lol but i got some good photos

SDT would be cool, $300+ though...

[Machine]

I'm in, nappy and all.

I'm not changing you!

[syhm1984]

I rather morgan park over SDT. Similar amount of money, full day of fun but the downside is travel distance and needed CAMS license

[seangti]

I agree to this. I think the best way is to floor the guts out of the car for say the first ~third of the straight (but keep left) and then if there is someone attempting to get past behind you on your right, slow down and let them pass.

I'd suggest it much safer to let cars past at the run on to the straight rather than drag each other to the dog leg or beyond. It prevents cars passing at the highest speed into a bottleneck and still allows the slower cars to than regain a good driving line through the dog leg and next corner.

[syhm1984]

I'd suggest it much safer to let cars past at the run on to the straight rather than drag each other to the dog leg or beyond. It prevents cars passing at the highest speed into a bottleneck and still allows the slower cars to than regain a good driving line through the dog leg and next corner.

That's why you need big brake kit like mine. So you can do super late brake like me

[grandturismo]

Lakeside Laps v13 - 24 February 2013

I can also organise through SDT (Safe Drive Training), but that's going to cost some reasonable coin, bank on $300+ each for half a day track time. Though it can be just us with some SDT guys, or can organise for proper driver training too.

But this talk is diluting this thread.

That sounds a bit exy doesn't it, but then again some training is always a good thing. Sorry Sean I don't see the problem with talking about potential track events on a social track day thread...What do u mean by 'diluting'?

[THE_EGG]

I'd suggest it much safer to let cars past at the run on to the straight rather than drag each other to the dog leg or beyond. It prevents cars passing at the highest speed into a bottleneck and still allows the slower cars to than regain a good driving line through the dog leg and next corner.

I do agree, it is way more safe however I haven't seen really anyone do it apart from myself, Clay and Ben (e30 BMW), and I suppose the s-cargo driver. I generally turn in later to exit faster if I'm wanting to overtake on the straight (please clarify if that is the correct thing to do-> here is a diagram of what I mean http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...neringcopy.jpg). Also if I'm honest, I don't really go too fast on the straight anyway, I prefer going fast through corners Only once or twice during the session will I really push the car on the straight to (according speedo) just under 170km/h when no other cars are around but usually I don't exceed 150 and don't exceed 130km/h when being overtaken.

[PugMonkey]

Off subject here - but I just downloaded a rather good app for my smart phone. Its called RaceChrono. It's a GPS based lap timer that can be used on lots of world wide tracks and bugger me, Lakeside and QR is listed and ready to use. I haven't used it on the track yet but looks ok and web site details a few good features.....

RaceChrono - The GPS Lap Timer

I have no affiliation with this place - Just thinking it may appeal to some of us lead foots.

[team_v]

Off subject here - but I just downloaded a rather good app for my smart phone. Its called RaceChrono. It's a GPS based lap timer that can be used on lots of world wide tracks and bugger me, Lakeside and QR is listed and ready to use. I haven't used it on the track yet but looks ok and web site details a few good features.....

RaceChrono - The GPS Lap Timer

I thikn the problem is most phones use a 1hz GPS signal where you really need a 5hz signal to get accurate speed and timing.
Sean has done a fair bit of research into these.


List has been updated and it's good to see some ideas being tossed around as to how we can solve the bunching and agressive driving.

[seangti]

That sounds a bit exy doesn't it, but then again some training is always a good thing. Sorry Sean I don't see the problem with talking about potential track events on a social track day thread...What do u mean by 'diluting'?

Was imply we can start a new thread to discuss morgan park as it'd appeal to a smaller section participants

Steve, is what you're referring a race meet? so head to head racing, rolling or grid start? I don't recall they do a sprints style event at MP, though that could have changed.

SDT are expensive, not sure how others compare though it's driver training so they have all the associated business costs.

[seangti]

I thikn the problem is most phones use a 1hz GPS signal where you really need a 5hz signal to get accurate speed and timing.
Sean has done a fair bit of research into these.

Yup, I've found that 1hz is inconsistent and therefore can't be relied on. Don't get me wrong, good fun to have and a bit of indication of lap times, but not much more than that.

I ran CMS on the weekend to compare against gtech. I'm yet to have a good play with the start/finish beacons to get crediable lap times, though found that it at 1hrz you're speed wasn't accurate. I usually topped out around 170km/h down the straight, CMS was telling me 160. Under acceleration/deceleration it's reasonably delayed. At high speed, 1hz just isn't enough though most of these app developers will tell you that too. Also bearing in mind the interpolation required to pick the start/finsh line with some accuracy when travelling 160km/h is 44m/s, so some reasonable calculations need to be done very quickly against speed. An external 5hz gps will be much improved.