Lakeside Laps v.4 - 29 April 2012 (breakfast)

[THE_EGG]

Racing Sims are good fun. Tempted to get g27, probably will, the increased feel is probably worth it... I've convinced myself.

I hadn't really noticed your lines much, you seemed to be doing well when I did tho. I was having a look at ur car from distance and noticed the tyres.

Ah right you must have a good eye for tyres. I was taking it relatively easy out there because I'm still fairly inexperienced (red p plate) so hopefully next time I can push a little harder. I think I only heard the tyres once on the bend before the straight which was encouraging. I think I'm a little slow out of the corners also because of not having a turbo so my torque is almost non-existant. I will upgrade my tyres when my current ones wear out and I will probably get better rims at the same time.

If you're in the market for a new wheel have a look at Fanatec wheels (avoid the carrera wheel though). My cousin has the GT3 RS and the natural feel is amazing (as its belt driven rather than cog). Just be prepared to pay a premium though.
Also do you think it would be worth spending 200-300euro on the springs (as I'm not getting spark plugs)?

[Tobes_WIR35]

Clay,

I will probably come along for a spectate and maybe brekky, but I'll give the GTI a rest this time. My theory is that I will have a fat tax refund cheque to spend on brakes and suspension for the post-July happy laps.

I am getting a bit frustrated with the car as it at the moment - it's got the power to go so much faster but it just needs some bigger brakes and sorted suspension to keep it going through the corners.

I know I said it's a company car and I wasn't going to spend any more money on it - famous last words right?

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I was taking it relatively easy out there because I'm still fairly inexperienced (red p plate)

I commend you on your attitude good sir, if only more P platers took that same approach on the road that we all have to share, it would be a safer place to be and less young people would have serious accidents.

And by the way, tell your old man I think he is onto something big, it should be mandatory for dads to take their P plater sons to a few track days in their first car so they can find out their limits, and let off some adrenalin and testosterone in a relatively safe and controlled environment. Absolutely brilliant idea and what a great initiative!

[Sharkie]

Add me to the reserve list please Clay. Won't have time to do more than 1 mod before then so wil come to fill numbers otherwise intend to get a few choice mods done before my next session.

[team_v]

Updated the list.

[THE_EGG]

Clay,

I will probably come along for a spectate and maybe brekky, but I'll give the GTI a rest this time. My theory is that I will have a fat tax refund cheque to spend on brakes and suspension for the post-July happy laps.

I am getting a bit frustrated with the car as it at the moment - it's got the power to go so much faster but it just needs some bigger brakes and sorted suspension to keep it going through the corners.

I know I said it's a company car and I wasn't going to spend any more money on it - famous last words right?

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I commend you on your attitude good sir, if only more P platers took that same approach on the road that we all have to share, it would be a safer place to be and less young people would have serious accidents.

And by the way, tell your old man I think he is onto something big, it should be mandatory for dads to take their P plater sons to a few track days in their first car so they can find out their limits, and let off some adrenalin and testosterone in a relatively safe and controlled environment. Absolutely brilliant idea and what a great initiative!

Oh haha thank you. The track idea was my idea really but yeh dad realised it was actually a good idea to see what the car can and can't do well and how I behave in that situation. This probs sounds obvious but for me I found it to be a really well controlled and relaxed (as relaxed can be on a track) event that allowed me to have some fun without going crazy ass. Next time I will push harder but certainly not as if I entered a grand prix haha.

But yes I commend my old man for having the guts to sit as a passenger for 30 min without talking while I was driving around a track. I am encouraging some of my friends to join these kinds of forums so they can go fast and have fun without endangering themselves like they would on the streets.

[Tobes_WIR35]

I had a serious accident when I was 18. I had a highly modified Nissan Silvia, and I, like every other 18yo, thought I was bulletproof. I drove like a knob and consequently one night I lost control and wrapped it around a power pole and a tree. I wish I had the opportunity to learn my limits in a safe environment rather than almost killing myself and my best mate. Young blokes will always have problems dealing with their adrenalin and risk taking, but at least if you know your limits it certainly helps, and if you can let out your adrenalin and burn some rubber on a track it means that hopefully you can restrain yourself on the road

[seangti]

Also do you think it would be worth spending 200-300euro on the springs (as I'm not getting spark plugs)?

This may not be the thread to discuss, and I don't know the citroen struts, but many of us on here had done just springs to find our struts were flogged out very quickly and/or ride quality was awful, bouncing as the car is under-dampened. I regularly track my car, from standard to springs only, it was much the same lap times, but felt less controlled and less feedback in the performance. Highway speeds were bad to awful. I added bilstein struts and everything is right now, it's a pleasure to punt hard and comfortable daily. I also dropped 2 seconds a lap off my time at QR. I than changed from the factory continental tyres to kumho ku31 and lost 1sec, along with quite a bit of feel when the car is on the limit.

My point - if you're doing springs only now, budget for new struts in 12months. And don't expect an improvement in cornering or ride.

[THE_EGG]

This may not be the thread to discuss, and I don't know the citroen struts, but many of us on here had done just springs to find our struts were flogged out very quickly and/or ride quality was awful, bouncing as the car is under-dampened. I regularly track my car, from standard to springs only, it was much the same lap times, but felt less controlled and less feedback in the performance. Highway speeds were bad to awful. I added bilstein struts and everything is right now, it's a pleasure to punt hard and comfortable daily. I also dropped 2 seconds a lap off my time at QR. I than changed from the factory continental tyres to kumho ku31 and lost 1sec, along with quite a bit of feel when the car is on the limit.

My point - if you're doing springs only now, budget for new struts in 12months. And don't expect an improvement in cornering or ride.

hmm ok. Yes i didn't think it should be in the thread either but anyways thanks for the reply. I think i'll put that money towards something else. Still l am looking forward to pushing a little harder next time.

Also, off topic again, is it true that taking out the resonator will void the warranty?
Apparantly it's directly related to changing the frequency waves of the exhuast and if i take it out it could damage the engine. Everyone i have spoken to (apart from the citroen parts guy) said it will help the engine exhuast its gases more efficiently as the flow will be more direct which is what i thought as well. I'm really after a more full bodied sound at high rpms and also get the exhaust pop that you get in the more sporty cars e.g. golf gti, scirocco r.

I'm going to talk to the service people at the dealership because the parts guy said they can do a remap for me so i'll ask them whether i should take out the resonator or muffler. I'm just worried that if i take out the muffler it will be loud 100% which is not really what i want.

[team_v]

hmm ok. Yes i didn't think it should be in the thread either but anyways thanks for the reply. I think i'll put that money towards something else. Still l am looking forward to pushing a little harder next time.

Also, off topic again, is it true that taking out the resonator will void the warranty?
Apparantly it's directly related to changing the frequency waves of the exhuast and if i take it out it could damage the engine. Everyone i have spoken to (apart from the citroen parts guy) said it will help the engine exhuast its gases more efficiently as the flow will be more direct which is what i thought as well. I'm really after a more full bodied sound at high rpms and also get the exhaust pop that you get in the more sporty cars e.g. golf gti, scirocco r.

I'm going to talk to the service people at the dealership because the parts guy said they can do a remap for me so i'll ask them whether i should take out the resonator or muffler. I'm just worried that if i take out the muffler it will be loud 100% which is not really what i want.

I had the muffler removed from my car but left the resonator in, It was made completely reversible for me by the guys at BPS.
Was it too loud when i went past you?
Bear in mind it has a high flow dowpipe and cat over the standard one.

Try going on youtube to see if anyone has done a muffler delete or resonator delete on the citroen?

[55ASI GTI]

Yes ! Thank you for putting me on the list *thumbs up Clay - doing these laps kills all my need to go mountain running

[team_v]

Yes ! Thank you for putting me on the list *thumbs up Clay - doing these laps kills all my need to go mountain running

I agree.
That is my main push to get them happening so that we can push the cars out at Lakeside where it's safer and more responsible.

[THE_EGG]

I had the muffler removed from my car but left the resonator in, It was made completely reversible for me by the guys at BPS.
Was it too loud when i went past you?
Bear in mind it has a high flow dowpipe and cat over the standard one.

Try going on youtube to see if anyone has done a muffler delete or resonator delete on the citroen?

Yes, the place where i got a quote for the res. delete said its reversible. No I thought your car sounded good actually, has a nice throaty sound. I've seen some videos of mini coopers with muffler and res. deletes. The 1.6 engine in the cooper is the same as in my ds3 so i think its a fairly similar car to see what it sounds like. After seeing and hearing the muffler delete, I think i'll get the muffler delete instead of the res. as it shouldn't affect the warranty like the res delete would and it still gets the exhuast 'pop' which i am after.

With your muffler delete, does it make a droning sound when driving normally on the road? Or is it not really noticeable.

[team_v]

Yes, the place where i got a quote for the res. delete said its reversible. No I thought your car sounded good actually, has a nice throaty sound. I've seen some videos of mini coopers with muffler and res. deletes. The 1.6 engine in the cooper is the same as in my ds3 so i think its a fairly similar car to see what it sounds like. After seeing and hearing the muffler delete, I think i'll get the muffler delete instead of the res. as it shouldn't affect the warranty like the res delete would and it still gets the exhuast 'pop' which i am after.

With your muffler delete, does it make a droning sound when driving normally on the road? Or is it not really noticeable.

Slight drone around 1750RPM.
However i have a downpipe which adds to the noise/flow.

The resonator delete shouldn't give any drone but i am waiting on video evidence of that.

[Tarmac]

This will be the first time i get to test out the GTX3071R Big Turbo upgrade. Please move to the left on the main straight. I will be coming fast. ;P

[THE_EGG]

Slight drone around 1750RPM.
However i have a downpipe which adds to the noise/flow.

The resonator delete shouldn't give any drone but i am waiting on video evidence of that.

Yeh from what i've read a resonator delete doesn't give any drone but I'm going to make my decision tomorrow morning when I plan to talk to the service guys at citroen. Then I will hopefully be able to get one of them removed next week. If they say a resonator delete is fine with the warranty and I get that in writing and signed by them, then I will get resonator deleted (as apparantly the one on the DS3 does actually restrict performance by a few hp) but if they don't I will most likely get the rear muffler deleted.

Thanks for all the help. Looking forward to the next happy laps!