Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Dutch77]

Surely the only realistic compensation expectation is the fix of the problem; that is, the lack of legal compliance of our vehicles?

^ this

If this ever even made it to the court anywhere I doubt anyone would still own the car in question by the time it wrapped up.

[Transporter]

It will be interesting to see how this goes down with the statement that is on every brochure and I'm sure in every owner's manual.

"The manufacturer reserves the right to make changes to design and the specification to vehicles and optional equipment without notice."

[Ryeman]

It will be interesting to see how this goes down with the statement that is on every brochure and I'm sure in every owner's manual.

"The manufacturer reserves the right to make changes to design and the specification to vehicles and optional equipment without notice."

Subsequent to the sale of YOUR car...eg MY variations
In any case a grovelling admission of guilt is a slam dunk

[Ryeman]

Surely the only realistic compensation expectation is the fix of the problem; that is, the lack of legal compliance of our vehicles?

It will be complicated by the particular circumstance for each individual
eg end of lease, considering a trade in, the fact that your intention was to sell your car immediately prior to it's crash in value (the company is not going to try to disprove that) death of the driver (inheritance) so many different reasons.
VW don't want to now be shown to be hard nosed and uncooperative .....they haven't got much wriggle room.

[Ryeman]

The U.S. Emagazine
'The Car Connection' story - 'Cheat Mode' in VW Diesels: Tests Show It Boosts Performance, MPG
Worth a read I recon
Also
California has give VW till 20 November to come up with their fix. (sorry about the lack of link)

[arcadelt]

VW don't want to now be shown to be hard nosed and uncooperative .....they haven't got much wriggle room.

They also don't want to be so cooperative that they break the company.

Maybe, just maybe, there will be some cash payout, but as I said before (not sure if it was in this thread or the other on the same subject), I suspect the starting point will be that they will fix your car, and anything else will be subject to legal action. Even then, the Australian legal system tends to err on limiting payouts to actual damages rather than the big "windfalls" which we (popularly) hear about from the US. Have a look at the Dallas Buyer's Club copyright infringement case and you'll see that legal premise in action in Australia (much to the relief of those that did illegally download that movie).

[Guest001]

The U.S. Emagazine
'The Car Connection' story - 'Cheat Mode' in VW Diesels: Tests Show It Boosts Performance, MPG
Worth a read I recon
Also
California has give VW till 20 November to come up with their fix. (sorry about the lack of link)

'Cheat Mode' In VW Diesels: Tests Show It Boosts Performance, MPG

California gives Volkswagen November 20 deadline for technical fix in diesel scandal | Reuters


That wasnt hard now was it LOL

As far as them buying your car back at purchase price I think there is a better chance of the sun coming up in the west

[Swallowtail]

August 2015 AU sales figures:

1 Toyota 14,505
2 Hyundai 9,505
3 Mazda 9,166
4 Holden 7,870
5 Mitsubishi 5,574
6 Ford 5,354
7 Volkswagen 4,794
8 Nissan 4,731
9 Subaru 3,361
10 Honda 3,210

September and October will be interesting...

September new car sales figures:

1 Toyota 16,594
2 Mazda 10,864
3 Holden 9,326
4 Hyundai 9,311
5 Mitsubishi 6,937
6 Ford 5,823
7 Nissan 5,242
8 Volkswagen 5,124
9 Subaru 3,621
10 Honda 3,595

In the August figures, VW accounted for 7.04% of the total of the top 10.

In September this dropped to 6.70% of the total of the top 10. Not a particularly significant drop, however a lot of sales will have been committed prior to the news breaking about the diesel emissions.

Compared to last year VW sales up 14% in September.

October's figures will be more likely to show any impact.

[hoi polloi]

Maybe, just maybe, there will be some cash payout... the Australian legal system tends to err on limiting payouts to actual damages rather than the big "windfalls" which we (popularly) hear about from the US.

Yes, Australia doesn't have punitive damages like the US does. We won't get any more than the cars being fixed and an amount that a court decides is any loss in resale value...

- Anthony

[Cossor]

It will be interesting to see how this goes down with the statement that is on every brochure and I'm sure in every owner's manual.

"The manufacturer reserves the right to make changes to design and the specification to vehicles and optional equipment without notice."

Precisely! In my case I ordered Passat 125TDI. When delivered had been upgraded to 130TDI Did not complain

[wai]

The U.S. Emagazine
'The Car Connection' story - 'Cheat Mode' in VW Diesels: Tests Show It Boosts Performance, MPG

Well, I had a read of the article, and essentially, it was all conjecture and supposition. Here's one quote from it.

To use its ‘safe’ emissions-test mode and prevent the vehicle from cycling over to its dirtier mode, the testers then disconnected some sensors that might tell the computer it was off a test machine and in normal driving conditions.

So, what sensors were they, and what would those sensors have done?

[bluey]

[...]So, what sensors were they, and what would those sensors have done?

The article is rubbish.

There is not a single sensor that doesn't do something functional. So unplugging anything is going to screw up the engine.

Can someone with a dyno please test what happens to power/torque/emissions when one adds an extra 3m of exhaust pipe?

[joel0407]

So, what sensors were they, and what would those sensors have done?

It was rear wheel sensors. It was shown in the video. I am unsure if they really knew it was still in sheat mode though.

[wai]

It was rear wheel sensors. It was shown in the video. I am unsure if they really knew it was still in sheat mode though.

Well, EVERY modern vehicle with ABS, ESP, TCS, etc would have to have those functions switched off otherwise, the vehicle would probably go into limp mode.

This is the thing about what is going on. VW are say they have broken our trust, and then in the next breath they say, "trust us and we will fix the problem". Well, trust is not that easily regained.

[greymad]

"...As far as them buying your car back at purchase price I think there is a better chance of the sun coming up in the west..."

This ought to be absolutely bleeding obvious to anyone who living in the true world: those expecting some form of a Wolfsburg Father Christmas to dispense that sort of financial largesse should take their hands off their privates and get a grip on commercial reality instead.