Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[greymad]

Whale oil beef hooked ... our twin turbo 132kw van comes up as "clean"!

"Dear Volkswagen customer,

We wish to confirm that your vehicle with the Vehicle Identification Number WV1ZZZ7HZBH058783 you submitted as at 09/10/2015 04:48:35 PM, is not affected by software that causes discrepancies in the values for oxides of nitrogen (NOx) during dynometer runs."

I hope they're not telling porky pies this time!

[Antiplastix]

I put my VIN no. into the Skoda recall web page and apparently mines not affected. Ha Ha.

[bluey]

Today's
'The Conversation'
"VOLKSWAGEN FALLOUT SHOWS HOW NOT TO MANAGE A CRISIS"
Global cost prediction €100B.
Its an academic 'business' perspective.

It's a couple of academic's opinions. The comments are also interesting.

[bluey]

Peugeot has always made good diesels.

My cousin's relatively new Peugeot diesel set itself alight at the traffic lights a few year ago - failed high pressure pipe.

[ducksonetime]

My cousin's relatively new Peugeot diesel set itself alight at the traffic lights a few year ago - failed high pressure pipe.

Unlucky

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[4wheels]

I've mentioned it before a few times. Your engine is in a north south orientation. They were able to fit the adblue. This is why your car is fine.

Your car will be part of the MLB platform. They are fine.

The MQB platform is for transverse engine mounting. These vehicles with the EA189 engine are the ones in question.

The last transporter to be offered with a north/south engine was the T3 ('80s/90's) and that was in the back. All T4's & T5's are east/west. Maybe you're thinking of LT's/Crafters.

I never thought the T5.1 diesel was identical with the passenger cars, and VW seems to confirm that, but I'm not exactly sure of the difference. It's definitely east/west though, and not exactly roomy in there. Not sure that it has Urea injection either, but I have the 5 cyl (2007) so I'm clear.

Brian.
2007 Trakkadu 4M.

Brian.

Brian.

[hoi polloi]

Not sure that it has Urea injection either, but I have the 5 cyl (2007) so I'm clear.

Is it possible that being a commercial vehicle that the emissions rules are less stringent than those for passenger cars? If so, maybe they could get it to pass without the cheat software...

- Anthony

[Transporter]

The last transporter to be offered with a north/south engine was the T3 ('80s/90's) and that was in the back. All T4's & T5's are east/west. Maybe you're thinking of LT's/Crafters.

I never thought the T5.1 diesel was identical with the passenger cars, and VW seems to confirm that, but I'm not exactly sure of the difference. It's definitely east/west though, and not exactly roomy in there. Not sure that it has Urea injection either, but I have the 5 cyl (2007) so I'm clear.

Brian.
2007 Trakkadu 4M.

Brian.

Brian.

Of course you're right and there is no adblue/urea injection system in your T5.

It's just an Internet, it makes too many instant experts on everything in the shortest possible time. Many would be lost without google.

[spud75]

I put my VIN no. into the Skoda recall web page and apparently mines not affected. Ha Ha.

I put mine in and mine is affected. Boooo ??? or not?

Now I dont really care, BUT I dont want to have to have the recall done and lose power and increase fuel consumption.

I only have 6 months of warranty left so maybe Muarice Blackburn compensation will pay for the ECU remap to put it back again after the 6 months....??

[Ryeman]

I put mine in and mine is affected. Boooo ??? or not?

Now I dont really care, BUT I dont want to have to have the recall done and lose power and increase fuel consumption.

I only have 6 months of warranty left so maybe Muarice Blackburn compensation will pay for the ECU remap to put it back again after the 6 months....??

i certainly won't accept less than what I paid for.

[stefcio007]

Previous PD polo could blow huge clouds of smoke on heavy throttle legally.

Like this?

[arcadelt]

i certainly won't accept less than what I paid for.

What does that mean?

[ParaBul]

What does that mean?

I think he means less power / less economy. I think he'll be OK.

AFAIK, at max power, emissions controls are effectively bypassed anyway, so VAG should be able to maintain the max power on the "fixed" vehicles.

Mid-range power may suffer, but to win a claim, Ryeman would need to demonstrate that

1. he bought his Volkswagen for the mid-range power, and
2. he knew what it was before he bought it, and
3. that he would not have bought his vehicle had those mid-range figures been lower.

Similarly, based on official economy specs, real world consumption is better. After the fix, for a claim to have merit, fuel consumption in the real world would need to worse than the figures published at the time he bought his car.

The class action is not about making anybody (other than the lawyers) wealthy. It's about compensation for loss(es) that are a result of VAG's deception - restoring owners to the position that they would've been in had the deception not occurred.

What are those losses? We've had the published power & torque, we've experienced better fuel economy than we otherwise might've had. Once the dust has settled, we probably own vehicles that have dropped in value, because the "fixed" vehicles will cost more to run and have less mid-range torque. I think all any of us will see is compensation for the drop in value - which will be calculated by somebody else.

That's my 2.2c.

[Ryeman]

I doubt anyone would have to produce a torque curve to prove deception.
The lawyers already have an admission of guilt.
The argument will be about the appropriate level of compensation
And
The forms they take....ie trade in accomodation / buyback / direct financial compensation
ETC........

[arcadelt]

I doubt anyone would have to produce a torque curve to prove deception.
The lawyers already have an admission of guilt.
The argument will be about the appropriate level of compensation
And
The forms they take....ie trade in accomodation / buyback / direct financial compensation
ETC........

Surely the only realistic compensation expectation is the fix of the problem; that is, the lack of legal compliance of our vehicles?