Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[OilBurna]

Interesting comments from the CEO of Glasses Guide in the Herald Sun this morning re the software fix and resale values and also the NRMA have come out swinging against VW Aust. imho VW had plenty of chances to come clean earlier and they only did when the evidence was irrefutable.


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[Tuan]

I understand the fraudulent claims in miss leading customers but they are not exceeding the Australian Standards.

Has this been made fact yet by VWA ?

[harlie]

....
. VW may choose to apply the same fixes here as they do overseas, or they may not...

Given how they treated us in respect to the PD injector issue, I will bet VW will do as little as possible - actually, I bet VW will do only as the GOV authorities demand they do and no more.

Remember the injectors were replaced on mass in other markets several years before they would even admit an issue here - I know I was charged for mine as there was "definitely not an issue with any other cars" - which 2 minutes online reading proved incorrect.... Eventually we got a recall but that was only after the all the publicity after the freeway death which ironically had nothing to do with it.

VWA will do nothing unless gov authorities threaten bans or big sanctions - or maybe class action. Sure can't see adblue retrofits.

[OilBurna]

I agree Harlie hoping also that the Govt had some balls and imposes maximum fines. Also plenty of other known issues with the B6 Passat including the steering column lock etc


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[wai]

The "rules" in the USA specify allowable emissions. They don't specify "on the road" or "in a test"

The emission rules specify limits that must be achieved while operating on the official drive cycle as in:

Light-duty vehicles are certified for compliance with emission standards by measuring their tailpipe emissions during rigorously-defined driving cycles that simulate a typical driving pattern.

The tests carried out by the researchers were conducted using an arbitrary driving route. There is nothing to verify that it is a route that simulates a typical driving pattern. The researchers then applied the limits to be achieved in the drive cycle to their arbitrary route.

The reason it has to be done on a dynamometer is because there is no convenient way to gather the samples in normal driving, and there is consistency. You could drive the alternative route repeatedly and come up with a different result on every attempt.

Oh this is why the California EPA took no action, even though they knew about the results passed, "for weeks" as has been reported. It is only when VW actually rolled over and said they had intentionally put code in that could be considered a "defeat device" that they took action as under the certification, a "defeat device" is specifically prohibited. Even here, a "defeat device" is not a physical device that is plugged it or otherwise connected, but anything that might lead to the disabling of emission controls. The thing is that the DPF and catalytic converter are both still as operational as in the official test. The only things that can be adjusted are the fuel injection, EGR and turbocharger boost.

[Ryeman]

Today's
'The Conversation'
"VOLKSWAGEN FALLOUT SHOWS HOW NOT TO MANAGE A CRISIS"
Global cost prediction €100B.
Its an academic 'business' perspective.

[OilBurna]

Only time will tell but I think VW would be wise to offer extended warranty to all owners affected and also increase the warranty period on new cars in Aust


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[Swallowtail]

Only time will tell but I think VW would be wise to offer extended warranty to all owners affected and also increase the warranty period on new cars in Aust


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The latter is certainly what I'm hoping for...

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[OilBurna]

I see in the US they have 5 years on the powertrain


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[Eaglen00b]

Why would I be, what a nonsense to post?

Well, to be fair you do seem to have a vested interest in VAG staying afloat in Australia vis-à-vis MRL Automotive Service? You can't exactly be going around saying VAG is crap now can you?

[Ryeman]

Well, to be fair you do seem to have a vested interest in VAG staying afloat in Australia vis-à-vis MRL Automotive Service? You can't exactly be going around saying VAG is crap now can you?

The mear survival of small urban diesel is doubtful over the next couple of years when people tally up the costs associated with keeping the increasingly complex engines serviceable.
i was wondering which vehicle would be a 'keeper' - I now know.

[Bayman]

Only time will tell but I think VW would be wise to offer extended warranty to all owners affected and also increase the warranty period on new cars in Aust

VW have a very low customer satisfaction rate based on repairs costs, probability of breakdown etc. This already meant the better Golf gave way for Mazda,Kia etc sales so now the VW Brand is even more damaged than the previous DSG bad press, surely to make the most of the bad press is to follow it up with full page ads offering engine warranty on affected engines and 5 year warranty on ALL new VWA vehicles.

It probably won't happen unless the CEO in Germany see's fit to do it worldwide. The issue being car makers don't make much money selling cars, the main profit driver is spare parts. My EGR / EGR cooler failed last month, cost $2900 ($1700 spare parts) fortunately extended warranty claim . So extended warranty would boost the brands value, sales but the warranty claims would hit profits. Many a dealer knows how bad VW cars are for failure compared to Toyota, but hey give me a VW Group Vehicle to drive anyday than a boring Toyota.

Time we start a Diesel Group pro forma letter that as many owners send to CEO of VWA & VWG requesting the above action!

[OilBurna]

You can do the financial modelling to death but I think the bed to come out with a decent offer for current and future customers sooner rather than later understanding that they are still working on the details of the fix for each model which will no doubt be complex but imho they need to start saving face


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[Ryeman]

VW have a very low customer satisfaction rate based on repairs costs, probability of breakdown etc. This already meant the better Golf gave way for Mazda,Kia etc sales so now the VW Brand is even more damaged than the previous DSG bad press, surely to make the most of the bad press is to follow it up with full page ads offering engine warranty on affected engines and 5 year warranty on ALL new VWA vehicles.

It probably won't happen unless the CEO in Germany see's fit to do it worldwide. The issue being car makers don't make much money selling cars, the main profit driver is spare parts. My EGR / EGR cooler failed last month, cost $2900 ($1700 spare parts) fortunately extended warranty claim . So extended warranty would boost the brands value, sales but the warranty claims would hit profits. Many a dealer knows how bad VW cars are for failure compared to Toyota, but hey give me a VW Group Vehicle to drive anyday than a boring Toyota.

Time we start a Diesel Group pro forma letter that as many owners send to CEO of VWA & VWG requesting the above action!

If, like me, you love the diesel type performance/economy, look no further than the current Peugeot 308 1.2 triple......don't laugh I guarantee you'll be amazed at the petrol burning but diesel performance.

[ducksonetime]

If, like me, you love the diesel type performance/economy, look no further than the current Peugeot 308 1.2 triple......don't laugh I guarantee you'll be amazed at the petrol burning but diesel performance.

Peugeot has always made good diesels. BMW and PSA joint developed the Prince engine which is based heavily on the PSA TU series. IIRC the team that tested the TDI that started this whole Diesel-gate saga also tested a BMW diesel that passed, no?