T5.2 / T5GP OEM folding mirrors install

[YellowLemon]

After some loser smashed off one of my T5's mirrors, I got quoted a replacement from VW adding up to ~$700++: $275 for the new base + $200 for new mirror + $200 labour for install (it takes < 5 minutes all up ??) + new mirror cover and painting (if required) ranging from $50-150. Note the VW mirror design is also partly to blame for breaking because they swivel "up" and NOT front/back like a normal mirror. (I've hit the old T4 mirror lots of times on the garage door backing out, and it never broke off)

I thought it will be fun to fit the electric folding mirrors!

1. *** PARTS ***

A - The actual folding mirror assemblies:

7E2857508DG Driver's / right side assembly
7E2857507DB Passenger / left side assembly

--> ETKA price is AU$190 each side but in reality it's more like $300 per side (?)



2. The glass inserts that just clip in - only needed if yours is smashed:
7E1857522F Driver's side glass
7E1857521M Passenger side glass

3. Optional OEM folding mirror switch
I think the part number is 7E1959565 without a letter at the end - TBC. These are ~$70 from dealer or ~$20 from eBay/AliXpress



(Check it yourself on ETKA here or here .. click on CarProg2 for the latter link)

2. *** WIRING ***

There are 3 options:

1) OEM as per factory
Now in the T5GP/T5.2 the OEM folding mirrors when factory optioned work off the window motors, which communicate over a LINBUS. HOWEVER you need the correct window motors, which my car unfortunately did not have. You can buy the correct window motors, but at $300+ cost it's not worth it to me.
PROS: no wiring between the doors is required with this method as it's all over LIN bus.
CONS: 1. cost 2. no automation - you have to flick the mirror switch everytime you want folding, and only with the key in.)




2) OEM using separate VW mirror folding module
In the original T5, but only those built between ~2003-2010, the folding mirror function used a special relay called the "AUDI 361 relay" with part number 4A0 907 440. This provided the same function, namely interfacing the door mirror knob to the folding mirrors, by powering the mirror motors for 3 sec when the switch was moved.
PROS: Still all OEM parts. Cheaper (the relay is AU $30-50 online)
CONS: Have to run wire across the car in between the two doors. Still not automated, have to flick switch each time.




3) Aftermarket mirror control module
The OEM VW mirrors run off two wires, and inverting the polarity causes them to fold or unfold. There is no internal logic or auto-stop: once the mirror is fully open, the motor keeps on running and will burn out if not disconnected. Someone measured the mirror motor consumption as 0.8A while moving at 2A when stopped. There are many 'universal' aftermarket options starting under $15 on eBay/aliexpress.
CONS: Aftermarket solution so less sex appeal.
PROS: These have a function to link in to the door locks and automatically fold or unfold the mirrors eg when the door is locked or when ignition is turned on or off.
NOTE: If you have auto-lock enabled, and want the 'fold on lock' feauture, this MIGHT cause your mirrors to fold while driving! (Depending on the setup/options in the unit) In any case you could wire a bypass relay running of the ignition to bypass the 'lock' wire while the ignition is running.

Examples of aftermarket units:

$12 from eBay:



$150 delivered from Germany:



If anyone with ELSAWIN could please post a WIRING DIAGRAM of the door lock module (5 wires) and window motor module that would be a great help.

I'll keep this updated as I go along with the install......

[Multivan2010]

Hi Yellow Lemmon,
I would be quite keen to see how it all works out for you, I would like to add such a feature to my Multivan.
I didn't realise how handy it would be to fold the mirrors, when parking or parked.

Stout

[The_Hawk]

I will also be watching this one closely as folding mirrors would be awesome

[YellowLemon]

OK I've got all the parts in and tested it out "on the bench", the folding works great. After testing all the options I've decided to go with the $12 aftermarket mirror control module from eBay (Option #3 above) because it allows the easiest way to wire the "fold on lock" function.

I'm also adding mirror indicators and puddle lights at the same time (since I've got the door cards and mirrors off, might as well do it all at once). See forum post here. Got the mirror covers painted at a panel shop, all ready to go, now just waiting for some nice weather in Melbourne to install it all and take pics for all y'all

For reference:

The connector at the door lock module has 8 pins, like this:
Pin 1: bl/ge
Pin 2: li
Pin 3: empty
Pin 4: ge/bl
Pin 5: gn/ge
Pin 6: empty
Pin 7: br
Pin 8: sw

The two THICKER cables, LILA(purple) und BLAU/GELB(blue/yellow) go to the lock motor (and invert polarity for lock/unlock).

These wires travel to the BCM pins A 12 (and surrounding pins) - see T5.2 BCM pinout in the other thread.

The other wires: the BLACK goes to ground when door is closed, and the GREEN/YELLOW goes to ground when the lock is locked (I think that's what the diagram is saying??)



For reference here is the wiring diagram of the universal mirror folding module from eBay China:

[YellowLemon]

Folding mirror success

Hello again, we finally got a few days of good weather so I added the OEM folding mirrors.

See a video my folding mirrors on youtube.



The $13 folding control module from eBay works fantastic:
- Buttons on the door for folding and unfolding
- Automatic folding on lock
- Automatic unfolding on unlock (unless they were folded using the button - great design!)
- Automatic unfolding on ignition (again unless they were folded using the button)
- When ignition is on, then locking signal is ignored (mirror doesn't fold) - this is great for anti hijack locking

I added a Jaycar switch to the door panel. It looks OK I think:



As you can see on the video the mirrors fold into a strange 'upwards' position that barely saves 5cm or so per side. My wife laughed at the ridiculousness of it. Also the glass is more exposed to rain and bird poo from the heavens. Not sure what happens to the rainwater that enters the mirror housing, presumably it frains out through the seams at the bottom.

Any questions?


NB: The original plan was to use the VW OEM mirror folding switch, part number 5K0 959 565, "Made in Italy". It looks like this:



But in retrospect I wouldn't have bothered! Firstly, it's not even the right switch. This one is for the tiguan, the correct one is mentioned above (7E1959565). Secondly, it took weeks and weeks to arrive, and finally when it arrived the switch I got was faulty: I couldn't rotate the dial to either heat or fold at the top 10 and 2 o'clock positions! I took the switch apart and saw there were two hard detents preventing this and the contacts weren't even present: essentially the switch had the mechanical portion of the original 3-position switch but with the cover of the folding 5-position switch. Looks like an assembly error at the factory. Totally weird! Anyway I decided the two-way rocker switch was a better option anyway because the OEM switch doesn't have an 'unfold' feature.

Note: I also added turn signal indicators and puddle lights to the mirror housings.

[Sunny43.5]

Great job must have been a huge job getting the information and parts together , and like you sometimes the cheaper alternative can work better . I recently fitted an aftermarket auto headlight device to our 2012 T5 $60 odd bucks and 15 minutes and works perfectly . I never bothered to see how much it would have cost to go the VW route as from previous experience it is usually $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ overpriced .

[YellowLemon]

aftermarket auto headlight device to our 2012 T5 $60 odd bucks and 15 minutes and works perfectly

Good idea! A saw a few different ones of these on eBay/Aliexpress. Is there a particular unit you recommend?

[VW Central]

Thanks for posting YellowLemon.

Glad we could assist you with supplying the parts.

You certainly like your DIY's

[YellowLemon]

Glad we could assist you with supplying the parts.

Yes thank you it was the same price to get both electric folding mirrors through VWCentral than one side from the dealer.

[Sunny43.5]

Good idea! A saw a few different ones of these on eBay/Aliexpress. Is there a particular unit you recommend?

I have just ordered another one from this Ebay site as the original supplier here in Australia don't stock them any more same price same product though .Automatic Headlight Sensor Night Day Intelligent Light Sensing Auto Turn On Fog

[The_Hawk]

Those mirrors are cool and all, but if they aren't saving that much space is it worth the effort?

How are you finding them?

[YellowLemon]

Nah I would say it's not worth the effort TBH .. the upwards folding is a bit ridiculous and the rain then pours onto the mirrors causing water stains. The only cool feature is you can tell instantly from far away if you forgot to lock the car

Nevertheless I really really wanted the mirror LED puddle lights, mirror-mounted indicator turn signals, and warning lights in the doors at the same time: Since I had all the doors/mirrors and dash in pieces for those it's not much extra effort to wire the folding mirrors.

But if my mirror hadn't been smashed off I never would have gotten elec. folding mirrors either.

[PATRICK6822]

Hello Guys,
my van is a t5.2 2011 multivan shuttle.
i have power folding mirrors fitted from factory with door switch.
i have bought the chinese fold on lock kit.

My question is can i fit this kit from just the drivers door side?
If the answer is yes which wires and colours coming from the drivers door do i need to splice into?
I would like to fit the kit under the dash close to the BCM.

Any help will be gratefully received
regards
Patrick
Im a pom in Liverpool England

[YellowLemon]

This is a tricky one. In your 2011 Multivan the mirrors on each side are folded and unfolded by a LIN-bus command via the electric window motors, so there is no direct electrical connection to the mirror motors going to the inside of the car. The command travels via the CAN bus into the door.

The neatest option I can think of the top off my head, is to take off just the drivers side door panel, and then capture the existing OEM switch input cable that sets the mirrors to fold, as well as the door lock/unlock signal. But you'd have to somehow set the Chinese module to "hold" the switch input the whole time you wanted the mirrors folded/unfolded - because that's how the OEM original solution works.

If you want to do it without complex electrical trickery, then you'd have to take off both door cards, cut the mirror motor wires before they enter the window motor, and then just interface the Chinese module to those wires (completely disabling the current OEM system with it's LIN bus and CAN bus stuff) ... but this involves pushing the wires through the door-to-car loom tube which is a major pain.

Ultimately I think your whole issue of just wanting the auto-fold-on-lock is a different animal to the one in this thread, and the Chinese module is not likely the solution:

The neatest solution would be a simple chip plugged onto the CAN bus wires (high and low), which listens for the "door lock" CAN command, and sends the "mirror fold" CAN/LIN command, and vice versa. Is there such a solution?

It's stupid that VW don't just have this as an option in the menu... it would be three simple lines of code in the BCM CPU

[PATRICK6822]

Thanks for your reply, I didn't think my van would be any different than yours, with you going through the BCM, but now i realise that was just to pick up the lock-un-lock wires...when i saw you had the same switch on the door card and had changed the window motors, it made your van work the same as mine....boo hoo!...glad i only spent £7 on the Chinese kit the same kit you used on your van.
so the only option would be to cut wires at each door, when i saw the wiring diagram it showed the switch using the signal wires to the chinese modual...well thanks again for getting back to me!

regards
Patrick