T5 DSG dropping gear? WTF HELP?

[Sunny43.5]

Yes changing fluid is in the service book at 60.000 but NOT the filter [unless you own a Caddy] you have to ask for it to be done pity the poor schmuck who does not know about the filter and some time down the track the fluid decays and debris blocks the filter what will VW tell that customer when he is facing a huge repair bill outside of warranty .

[IN2VWS]

Yeah ok. It didn't happen. All the unhappy customers must be a figment of my imagination. Let history be the judge. No DSGs will get to 300,000ks.

I would recommend the fluid change at 60k but its a grey area is it in the service book in Australia? It is in the USA but here I don't know.
Anyone got a book they can check in?

Soooooo.......that's a no to the proof then. Why say that there are heaps of T5 DSG failures, and then not back it up. Surely you would like to prove me wrong.

Again, WHERE ARE ALL THE T5 DSG FAILURES? Seriously, please show me.

[Sunny43.5]

I will repeat look at page one of this thread very first post , Transporter T5 DSG problem , ours also has had two unplanned shifts to neutral at only a couple of thousand kays . How many owners of T5's who are not members of this forum also "may" have had issues that we have not heard about over on Volkswagen Australia's Facebook page I recall some T5 owners with issues with DSG . Obviously not a large number but as they are only coming up to the magic 3 year mark since release who knows what the future will hold .

[IN2VWS]

Thanks Howard. Do you have links to the VW pages that you saw?
In my opinion, 2 problems are not massive failures.
T5 dsg owners with problems do not know about the watercooled forum........yet the golf DSG owners with problems have no problems finding this forum and every other forum......
It is not just me, others on here have also said that they have searched the net looking for Transporter DSG problems/failures, and they haven't found any.
No offence intended, but either put up, or shut up.

As you will have seen, I have repeatedly asked for the evidence of these mass failures of Transporter DSG failures, and still the nay sayers have not produced anything. Even Golf Loon who sees a few a week can't/won't provide anything.

[Transporter]

I think that many are getting paranoid about the DSG problems in the T5 and the Tiguan, so when the DSG just sneezes it's all trumpeted as the DSG failure, just because of the past.

[Sunny43.5]

Yes maybe some of us are paranoid put your self in my shoes , everyone knows my story and it still burns me to think what I could have spent that $11000 on other than a new auto for a lousy 135.000 kays of motoring . The new van is a great drive I love it but I do not look forward to what may transpire 3 or so years from now . Yes its fine while its in warranty but what about after warranty who pays for this technology when the manufacturer just hangs you out to dry . If the first two incarnations of the DSG the 200 and 250 models are anything to go on who is to say the 500 is going to be any better ? Have VW fixed whatever plagued the first two , yes the 500 can handle bigger torque but why did the first two have so many problems with the much smaller engines .

[IN2VWS]

Have VW fixed whatever plagued the first two , yes the 500 can handle bigger torque but why did the first two have so many problems with the much smaller engines .

.......ummm, because they couldnt handle the. Torque?

Howard, I fully understand your frustrations, anger, disappointment and any other emotions due to the tiptronic transmission. IMO you are fully justified in feeling this way..... But that was the Tiptronic. We are now talking about DSG failures, which you have read about on the web.....but will not share with us the links.

Only time will tell what will happen with our DSG transmissions, but for now they are running pretty good. So for now, I would not call them a success, nor a failure.

[Sunny43.5]

Okay at this point I will concede defeat , but please if they start to play up I hope its not yours involved it is just such a draining and disgusting problem and unfortunately money is the part that is hard to part with to remedy a technology that has proven in previous models to be a problem . In my opinion VW knew the Tiptronic was a disaster that's why they dropped it so quickly , so the DSG was their next attempt to rebuild VW buyer confidence and the first two did not match up again to customers expectations . So we hope the third one is going to go the distance .

[IN2VWS]

[Foxpuppet]

T5 DSG dropping gear? WTF HELP?

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside!

Dealer has offered to repair damage to wheel. All I have to do is bring the wheel in and they will take care of it. It's an unusual black colour, how well or unwell can this go?
The nice part is they are going to repair a very small graze i did myself about 4 months ago. Pretty happy with the offer... If it looks crap I can always get a 5th wheel and make this one the spare!

[Transporter]

Now, I will go off topic a lot.
I know that there are many tiptronics that have failed in the hands of people like Sunny43.5, completelly stock standard and driven normally.

But, I know at least one T5 with the tiptronic and 128kW that have failed or maybe not but it went down for the transmission replacement as the commonly known A/T failure in these vans. The customer was well over 50 years old and had the *P Chip in his 2005 T5 (who would expect that?), I've serviced the van a couple times when at approx. 80,000km he started to complain about the AT, on which I referred him to the workshop, since I'm mobile and he didn't have the garage. The worshop in Adelaide replaced the AT and the fault (flaring) was still there. I think that they've opened/closed the second A/T and still no joy, so they looked harder and they've discovered the *P Chip, after removing it the vehicle was driving normally. They’ve fitted the *P Chip in another T5 and it was flaring as well. So was that the VW fault? How many AT were replaced under the similar circumstances?

The second T5 that had the problem with the same chip was member of this forum and also my customer, the fault wasn't affecting AT if my memory serves me well. After uninstalling the *P chip, the driveablity issues went away.

[Foxpuppet]

T5 DSG dropping gear? WTF HELP?

Not trying to reignite this in any way but what's being ignored are numbers. The VW passenger range outsell the commercial range at about 6:1 but then try and look closer as I would bet far more commercials such as amarok ( which uses a different auto again)and transporter are manual compared to the DSG auto golf passat polo etc. this would put the figure closer to 15:1 . That is 15 smaller DSG cars to 1 multivan or transporter DSG.
IMHO this means if your getting a few reports of similar issues to the small car DSG it is somthing to be seriuosly concerned about as their are far fewer examples to draw from or who are members here. Golf sells at 2000 -3000 a month whereas auto only multivan is around 70.

I understand this completely and it makes a lot of sense. Add to that we are only a small snapshot of australian owners on vww and the ratio increases exponentially.
The only thing I can see changing the t5 stats is the tiguan which shares the same models of engine and gearbox although then you have to add 4motion to the equation for those models.

[Sunny43.5]

Yes agree IN2VWS best to stay friends and keep the banter on a friendly level , also to Transporter our 2005 T5 has no mods at all never considered it necessary the bloody thing goes quick enough in standard form !!! Will admit here that since the auto was rebuilt the van has had nasty flat spot on take off . Does not have the same take off as it had before rebuild turbo lag is really pronounced now . Howard

[Transporter]

Yes agree IN2VWS best to stay friends and keep the banter on a friendly level , also to Transporter our 2005 T5 has no mods at all never considered it necessary the bloody thing goes quick enough in standard form !!! Will admit here that since the auto was rebuilt the van has had nasty flat spot on take off . Does not have the same take off as it had before rebuild turbo lag is really pronounced now . Howard

I've never doubt that, I asked you a while ago and remembered that you've said it was without any mods.

Also I'm not saying that the T5's AT is reliable, it's probably one of the worst, due to its design and undermined by the pure stupidity by specifying "LIFE TIME FILL"! At the time when the AT was fitted to the T5s that life time fill was 5years or 120,000km whichever comes first according to the German TUV. As much as I loved the testdrive in the T5 Auto before I've bought mine I was aware of the flaws and voided it.

The longest time I leave the oil unchanged in any of our vehicles is 50,000km and it's only in the DSG and the Haldex oil in my T5 4Motion.
The power steering oil - yearly,
the gear oils - every 20,000km,
the engine oils - every 6months/7,500km.

If you want your vehicle to last you more than 200,000km or 12 years regardless of the kms, you should do that, it could save you later much more than you've paid for the extra maintenance.

Another flawed component in the VAG vehicles, is their coolant filled for life .
However, I saw in some maintenance guidlines, check and replace if necessary.

[Umai Naa!!]

Yeah, coolant is test and replace as necessary.