DSG is it that good ?

[question?]

Yes, it was the lag, particularly if you are coasting into a roundabout, and you see a break in the traffic with room for you to dart through. You put your foot down, and nothing happens....as a car is coming towards you....then all of a sudden BANG....It goes.
The software upgrade fixed this on my van. It also shortens the hill hold time when taking off.
The only time it still does this, is when the motor is stone cold in the morning, and I go around the first corner from my house. I put this down to a cold engine/transmission etc.

I asked for them to check for an upgrade for our first 30K service and they said nothing has changed. The drag thing at roundabouts drives me nuts and in so many other situations... it is dangerous and it even makes me hesitate when I am not driving a DSG car.

[IN2VWS]

Sorry if I missed it, but what year/model/engine etc. is your van? Is it a 4motion?

[greymad]

Yes, it was the lag, particularly if you are coasting into a roundabout, and you see a break in the traffic with room for you to dart through. You put your foot down, and nothing happens....as a car is coming towards you....then all of a sudden BANG....It goes.
The software upgrade fixed this on my van. It also shortens the hill hold time when taking off.
The only time it still does this, is when the motor is stone cold in the morning, and I go around the first corner from my house. I put this down to a cold engine/transmission etc.

John, yours is a diesel? 132kw? (that's my vehicle spec) ... mine supposedly had a "software upgrade" as part of the 15,000km service, but the acceleration lag is still the same. I'm really p****d off about this - and yes, I do consider it to be dangerous. Your description of the issue is exactly as I'm (still) experiencing.

[REVHE4D]

My 2011 T5 camper is 132kw, 7 speed DSG 4 Motion.

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John, what was the issue sorted out by the software upgrade - was it initial lag on acceleration from a standing start?
That's the only gripe I have with the 7 speed DSG box on my T5... (which, as I have indicated, is 4 Motion optioned.)

Well that has me slightly peeved when I was ordering mine I wanted auto but was told no way, then had to wait a painfully 7 months for my T5, Amarok does not come with dsg either. Maybe mine being duel can and designed for carrying weight has something to do with it who knows.

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[IN2VWS]

John, yours is a diesel? 132kw? (that's my vehicle spec) ... mine supposedly had a "software upgrade" as part of the 15,000km service, but the acceleration lag is still the same. I'm really p****d off about this - and yes, I do consider it to be dangerous. Your description of the issue is exactly as I'm (still) experiencing.

Yep, 132kw, DSG, LWB, paddle shift on the wheel....

So, after they did the software upgrade, did you notice any difference at all?
Is it possible that they didn't do the upgrade properly?

[greymad]

Yep, 132kw, DSG, LWB, paddle shift on the wheel....

So, after they did the software upgrade, did you notice any difference at all?
Is it possible that they didn't do the upgrade properly?

The consumer (me) is obliged to take the word of the collar & tie person on the other side of the counter.
He tells me the software upgrade was done, but of course it wasn't he who actually carried it out.
The so-called "report sheet" with the important numbers (like, that's $449.50 thank you very much, sir...) actually says, in response to my pointing out the acceleration lag was an important issue to be corrected, "tested vehicle and unable to fault any abnormal operation: carried out basic setting as required."My request as it appears on the sheet reads "Lag on acceleration from satnd/start (sic). Customer would like this looked at urgently."
If I haven't got this sorted out by the next time we're over your way, I'd love to have a comparison drive to see how yours feels cf mine, which I still feel is simply not good enough to the point of being potentially b****y dangerous.

[IN2VWS]

No worries....and if I am heading to S.A. I'll give you a shout.

[Sharkie]

Well I have had the software upgrade done at 15000km service (suspect it was just a reset) and for while it was a bit better ....

The symptoms and issues I still have is:

1. lag upon take-off normally about a second after depressing the accellerator FULLY! This is incredibly dangerous as there is no way I can confidently take a gap in traffic from standstill .... EVER
2. whilst rolling slowly, taking a gap has the same 1 second lag before it
3. when it decides to go it is a huge lurch/jump that upsets all the passengers .... never mind the driver who has been sweating blood for the last second seeing an impending crash !!! This jump/lurch is usually accompanied by wheelspin.
4. It is almost always in the wrong gear .... 90% of the time it has preselected the next gear up in order to try and save fuel (which it miserably fails at anyway) and in traffic you actually need the next gear DOWN! so about a half a second is lost while it deselects and then selects the next gear on the alternate clutch pack.
5. It is only quick changing gears when you go through them from a standing start (after 1s wait), in day to day driving its hopeless.
6. it stumbles and lurches for most of its daily drive being very jerky .....
7. about once a day it grinds gears whilst changing .... just like a missed manual shift.
8. I'd rather an auto than the DSG and MUCH RATHER a manual where I can decide what gear I want and when. Not some spastic computer. (and thats rich for somebody whose worked in the IT industry for 15+years previously)
9. I used to be against the DSG and people kept saying, you have to try it, well I have now for 15+months and I dislike it with a passion now ....
10. If I have an accident due to this DSG I will sue VW .....

May try to drive another DSG equipped MV to see if my case is isolated, but somehow I don't think so.

[gavs]

Sharkie, I don't have any of those issues and mine is going in for the new software update as well as a pair of new clutches on the 28th so if mine starts acting like that, I will let you know but that indeed does sound like a rather isolated case...

[IN2VWS]

Same here Sharkie.....I have none of the issues you describe. IMO, you have a faulty DSG/computer.

Last week, I had the engine warning light and glow plug light come on the dash several times. The van then went into limp mode. After switching off the van and then switching it on again, it was ok to drive. Sometimes the engine warning light would stay on, other times it would go away.
Plugged in the vagcom, and it had EGR faults listed. Took it to my dealer, and they fitted a new EGR valve/unit. While the valve was faulty, I had lag issues again, but now that it is fixed, it is driving just fine.
I took printouts of the vagcom scan to the dealer to show them. I did not clear the faults. The dealer plugged their computer into my van, but no EGR faults showed up.

[Tornado T5]

I wonder if the 7spd DSG costs more then the 8spd ZF? As I've said before I would rather hang on to my current 6spd auto T5 then buy a dsg T5GP. It's funny watching some of the mother's at school pick-up take off in their Tig's and see them lurch forward as the dsg changes. I have driven a DSG equiped Ford Focus and I have to say the Ford unit is definately smoother, not sure if it has any mechanical differences however it is far better behaved in urban environments like round-about's etc..

[Sunny43.5]

As the instigator of this thread it is interesting to see the comments seems there is either hatred or love of the DSG . It seems to me that VW cannot really make up their mind on what works , We bought brand new 2.5 petrol auto van in 2000 it had the adaptive auto no manual mode and it was a bit of a pain as my wife drove conservatively and it would learn her style . Then when I drove I had to give it a canning to reset the auto to my style as it would be pretty slugish on the change pattern , fast froward to 2004-5 and we buy a 2.5 turbo diesel with the "new " triptronic another auto with dubious abilities ,accelerate up a hill and slow down to turn into another street and no drive just hesitation until the engine and gearbox discuss what to do next and then decides 'Oh' yes we are going forward again . So here we are 2010 onwards and another transmmision VW have foisted upon us the DSG and in todays Carsguide another full page article about VW Golfs this time and the continuing saga of DSG problems in that model .
Quote " The German carmaker has invested heavily in technology and its cars bristle with the latest engineering advancements, but it seems its advanced technology focus has brought with it a few issues that have caused owners considerable angst.

The DSG gearbox, a wonderful gearbox when it's working properly, has been one subject of regular complaint here at Carsguide and owners have regularly complained that they have had difficulty in getting their issues resolved.

Complaints about the DSG gearbox have typically been rough shifting, erratic shifting where it seems the wrong gear has been chosen, selecting neutral at the most inappropriate times. We have been given a copy of a technical bulletin issued to dealers advising them of a problem with oil fouling the wiring loom controlling the gearbox, which appears to be the cause of the shifting problems.

When driving a DSG-equipped Golf it's vital that you conduct a thorough assessment of the gearbox looking for the above problems. There have been reports also of engine issues with owners having to replace engines at relatively low kilometers. VW claims the failures were due to owners using the incorrect fuel, but the jury is still out on that being the real cause. End Quote

Yes I know this is a Golf problem but it does point out the ongoing issues with the DSG . Seems to me the more gears they fit the more problems occur , How many gear changes do we need they havent sorted out the 6 speed Triptronic nor the 7 speed DSG . Whilst some owners are happy as discussed here there are equally some who are not happy . Maybe its not VW as the DSG is made by Aisin and I also read today that the new Maxxus van range due for release in October is also sporting the Aisin Auto .AH the good old days three speed autos with manual kick down and could be serviced easily .

[Diesel_vert]

Maybe its not VW as the DSG is made by Aisin.

VW's double-clutch gearboxes were designed in conjunction with BorgWarner.

The 6-speed automatic torque-converter transmissions are mostly supplied by Aisin, but some models use ZF (VW Phaeton, Audi A8, etc).

AH the good old days three speed autos with manual kick down and could be serviced easily.

Any transmission with a self gear-shifting mechanism will always be compromised. If it isn't complexity and cost (modern electronically controlled automatic gearboxes or double-clutch gearboxes) then it's poor efficiency and performance (older hydraulically controlled automatic gearboxes).

A manual gearbox is both simple and efficient, but then you lose the convenience and comfort of a self gear-shifting mechanism.

[Sunny43.5]

I stand corrected on the maker sorry my mistake I was sure that I read on this forum that Aisin were the builders , yes I whole heartedly agree about manual gearboxes , but isnt it strange that as technology has marched onwards we the consumer seem to be the ones who cop it when these technological nightmares wake us up . You would love the day when car makers and not just VW would actually stand up an admit that they have made a mistake with a particular design . I know it will never happen as denial is the standard statement that will be offered . Look don,t get me wrong I love our VW,s as we have owned 5 over the last 12 years , but when you experience something that did not seem to happen in the old times it makes us old guys get upset , now if I can only find my xanax tablets I,ll be fine

[greymad]

Let me try again: our 2011 van's a 132kw 7spd DSG 4 motion - no steering wheel paddle - centre of dash stick control.
It had, on its first & recent 15,000km service, a software upgrade coded 23H8.
So far as I can ascertain, this has nothing to do with the dreaded (& dangerous) DSG lag on acceleration - rather, I think it involved the diesel particulate filter (ie DPF); presumably something to do with the self cleaning process.
Has anyone out here please had an "upgrade" or rectification job done on their (similar) van which actually fixed the lag thing?
If so, what was the ID code for the job, or which service bulletin covered it? PLEASE