Stage 1 vs stage 2 - cost, gains

[amunra]

I spent a lot of years in the JDM tuning scene and people think they are clever zip tying front mounted ebay intercoolers with pvc piping, but it always catches up with them.

howd the zip ties go for you champ

[Vedi]

who said cheapest no name parts?

You were passionately arguing people should buy the Chinese ebay knockoff 'wanger' intercooler a few days ago.

I can only guess you've dropped into the Arteon area recently because the other sub-forums have stopped listening.

[petemac110]

If you read the room, people are not interested putting the cheapest possible no-name parts in their cars.

Exactly - many people are happy to spend the extra coin on quality parts or a comprehensive "one-stop-shop" package... drive in, drive out.

[amunra]

You were passionately arguing people should by the Chinese ebay knockoff 'wanger' intercooler a few days ago.

I can only guess you've dropped into the Arteon area recently because the other sub-forums have stopped listening.

we're talking about tuning / builds and costs here mate. if you have nothing to offer to the thread or you have a problem with something im saying and want to try and put words into my keyboard then you should log out u donkey.

25k stage 3 build can easily minus the big brake kit 5- 6k (only need upgraded discs and track pads) , overkill clutch packs on an already strong 7 speed ... another 3k+ and forged internals another 3k+

gets u down to 15k or less... start adding no name parts that do the same job or better... ur going even less.

But please.. you know everything because you were In the JDM scene and u saw some zip ties...

[BO11OS]

Personally I would pay more for a quality proven part that I know will do the job, I learnt early in life . Do it once do it properly. If I wanted cheap fun I'd have gone stage 2 but I want to get my car into a certain bracket (10's) so i'll pay for quality proven parts that will last years & the fun will pay for itself. Just my view from modding cars for half my life.

[amunra]

Personally I would pay more for a quality proven part that I know will do the job, I learnt early in life . Do it once do it properly. If I wanted cheap fun I'd have gone stage 2 but I want to get my car into a certain bracket (10's) so i'll pay for quality proven parts that will last years & the fun will pay for itself. Just my view from modding cars for half my life.

turbo and install - 4k
spark plugs and coilpacks - 300
intake tube and hose - 100
downpipe - 1000
exhaust - 2.5k
ic and charge pipes - less than 1000
hpfp - 1000
injectors - 1000
tune and dyno - 1500
upgraded discs and pads on oem calipers $500 or + 2nd hand audi / porsche big brake - 2k



overkill line -----------------------

potentially useless air intake - 1k. retail big brake kit for 5k? built motor 3 -4k? upgrdaded clutch packs - 3-4k?


all good parts there and i havent been that stingey and accomodated a bit for install... if you wanna be very Retail with the prices gonna be going well over 25k? is that how ur prices are looking? once u go over that overkill line not sure ur having anymore 'fun' but you definately are paying alot more for not much

[petemac110]

turbo and install - 4k
spark plugs and coilpacks - 300
intake tube and hose - 100
downpipe - 1000
exhaust - 2.5k
ic and charge pipes - less than 1000
hpfp - 1000
injectors - 1000
tune and dyno - 1500
upgraded discs and pads on oem calipers $500 or + 2nd hand audi / porsche big brake - 2k



overkill line -----------------------

potentially useless air intake - 1k. retail big brake kit for 5k? built motor 3 -4k? upgrdaded clutch packs - 3-4k?


all good parts there and i havent been that stingey and accomodated a bit for install... if you wanna be very Retail with the prices gonna be going well over 25k? is that how ur prices are looking? once u go over that overkill line not sure ur having anymore 'fun' but you definately are paying alot more for not much

But why does it matter if someone wants to spend more on the full-monty package, as a drive-in, drive-out solution which is more expensive than cobbling together a setup from various sources? Some will be very happy to spend more for this option, and it’s no less valid than someone wanting to save a few bucks by following a different route. Not everyone is driven by doing something or buying something for as cheaply as possible.

I absolutely get why many will want to maximise the bang for buck (that’s my modus operandi) but I equally understand the allure and simplicity of drive-away package. Different priorities for different people.

[amunra]

But why does it matter if someone wants to spend more

it doesnt. u just dont have to

[petemac110]

it doesnt. u just dont have to

All depends on priorities - bottom-dollar isn’t always a priority.

[amunra]

All depends on priorities - bottom-dollar isn’t always a priority.

didnt know installing stuff that isnt needed to meet a target was a priority

[petemac110]

didnt know installing stuff that isnt needed to meet a target was a priority

Depends on your definition of “isn’t needed”. We’ve already discussed this above. We are flogging a dead horse here.

[amunra]

Depends on your definition of “isn’t needed”. We’ve already discussed this above. We are flogging a dead horse here.

so far... ive been closest to getting some info about his build and have a discussion... which he seems reluctant to tell us exactly whats going on in this or his builder is reluctant to tell him ?....

you guys are the ones flogging the deadhorse squabbling over symantics.

'needs' and 'priorities'..

his aim is to get his arteon in the 10s.. simply doesnt need to spend that extra 10 - 15k to do it..

If he wants to spend all that cash to say his arteon goes in the 10s but goes to the track once every 3 years then he can.

this forum actually is more of a **** comparing / swinging contest than a discussion forum.

[nermal]

Personally I would pay more for a quality proven part that I know will do the job, I learnt early in life . Do it once do it properly. If I wanted cheap fun I'd have gone stage 2 but I want to get my car into a certain bracket (10's) so i'll pay for quality proven parts that will last years & the fun will pay for itself. Just my view from modding cars for half my life.

Yeah, agreed. Happy to pay a bit extra for a proven platform (that VW Australia themselves selected).

I'm going to stage 3 the long way, stopping at stage 1 & 2 along the way - which the package allows for.

Stage 2 parts are on order now. There's a 3-4 month wait for the ceramic coated performance catted downpipe. Also upgrading the intercooler and hosing/piping. Package comes with free ECU tune upgrades along the way.

[amunra]

Yeah, agreed. Happy to pay a bit extra for a proven platform (that VW Australia themselves selected).

I'm going to stage 3 the long way, stopping at stage 1 & 2 along the way - which the package allows for.

Stage 2 parts are on order now. There's a 3-4 month wait for the ceramic coated performance catted downpipe. Also upgrading the intercooler and hosing/piping. Package comes with free ECU tune upgrades along the way.

how much u paying for ur stage 2 pack and what u getting?

[nermal]

how much u paying for ur stage 2 pack and what u getting?

Seems like a little bit of a loaded question, but sure, I'll bite =D

Here are the parts with RRP pricing (discounts sometimes apply), labour costs extra:

Milltek performance catted downpipe (200 cell), with Zircotec ceramic coating ($350 extra), I'll upgrade the rest of the exhaust (cat back) with stage 3: Milltek Sport Cast Catted Downpipe - VW Golf MK7/7.5 R/8V S3, for OE Exhaust [SSXVW386] - Harding Performance ($2,100)

Racingline Intercooler - emailed Jeff from mygolfmk7.com and he felt it should be up to task: RACINGLINE 2.0 TSI INTERCOOLER MQB [VWR E 14G700] - Harding Performance ($2,095)

Racingline Turbo boost pipe hose kit: RACINGLINE TURBO BOOST PIPE HOSE KIT EA888.3 2.0 TSI[VWR E 140004] - Harding Performance ($550)

Racingline R600 underhose (should have bought this with the R600 - if I'd known): Racingline R600 Coolant Underhose [VWR17G7R600] - Harding Performance ($125)

Racingline Stage 1 -> Stage 2 tuning upgrade: BUNDLE RACINGLINE OEM+ PERFORMANCE ECU SOFTWARE - MK 7/7.5 s3 8V 2.0 TSI MQB IS38 - Harding Performance ($Free)

+ Wheel alignment
+ Labour

Oh BTW - it seems they have 20% off their ECU/DSG tuning atm.