Stage 1 vs stage 2 - cost, gains

[Manaz]

can u answer why hes spending 25k for stage 3

No, that's for him to answer. I could guess (and it'd be an educated guess), but ultimately, it'd just be guessing. As I said, the "lol" at the end of your original question made it look like it wasn't a serious question, and I responded in line with that view. I apologise for making that mistake.

[amunra]

No, that's for him to answer. I could guess (and it'd be an educated guess), but ultimately, it'd just be guessing. As I said, the "lol" at the end of your original question made it look like it wasn't a serious question, and I responded in line with that view. I apologise for making that mistake.

Make a guess then... thats what this forum is about isnt it.. a discussion ?

lets see how close you can get to what this guy is actually getting

[Manaz]

OK, my guesses...

Beyond regular stage 3 upgrades (larger turbo, larger intake, larger intercooler, tune, possibly work on heads/valves/cams), some toughened parts (I wouldn't consider forged pistons and new gaskets and head bolts a full rebuild, that generally also includes work on the bottom end).
He already mentioned flex fuel, which likely means bigger/better injectors are involved (as stock injectors may not flow enough for E85 and the power levels it allows). Possibly fuel pump and FPR upgrades as well.
Producing power is one thing, getting it to the ground reliably is another. Wheels and tyres (semi-slicks perhaps), brake upgrades (power upgrades without brake upgrades are nasty) Haldex upgrade possibly to help get the power down to all four wheels.

More power's going to be required to get an Arteon into the 10s than to get a Golf R, as the Arteon's heavier and thus all other things being equal, acceleration's going to be slower.

[amunra]

OK, my guesses...

Beyond regular stage 3 upgrades (larger turbo, larger intake, larger intercooler, tune, possibly work on heads/valves/cams), some toughened parts (I wouldn't consider forged pistons and new gaskets and head bolts a full rebuild, that generally also includes work on the bottom end).
He already mentioned flex fuel, which likely means bigger/better injectors are involved (as stock injectors may not flow enough for E85 and the power levels it allows). Possibly fuel pump and FPR upgrades as well.
Producing power is one thing, getting it to the ground reliably is another. Wheels and tyres (semi-slicks perhaps), brake upgrades (power upgrades without brake upgrades are nasty) Haldex upgrade possibly to help get the power down to all four wheels.

More power's going to be required to get an Arteon into the 10s than to get a Golf R, as the Arteon's heavier and thus all other things being equal, acceleration's going to be slower.

U need to upgrade the charge pipes, turbo, injectors and HPFP with stage 3 ... costs alot less than 25k... u would already have the downpipe and IC from stage 1 /2...

2nd hand bbk off a wreck should cost alot less than the retail 5 - 6k for MQB bbk.....

Im guessing hes going for a full rebuild and close to 700hp+ if he wants fast reliable drag car.. theres guys getting 700hp on a stock engine and engine management to throttle the torque e.t.c not to blow anything up and put the power down... with a fully built engine its easy 700+hp all day.

If you arent using it for the drag strip regularly or own a shop / doing it urself for fun its alotta kesh

[Manaz]

The issue is he's not coming from Stage1 or Stage2 - he's starting from stock.

U need to upgrade the charge pipes, turbo, injectors and HPFP with stage 3 ... costs alot less than 25k... u would already have the downpipe and IC from stage 1 /2...

2nd hand bbk off a wreck should cost alot less than the retail 5 - 6k for MQB bbk.....

Im guessing hes going for a full rebuild and close to 700hp+ if he wants fast reliable drag car.. theres guys getting 700hp on a stock engine and engine management to throttle the torque e.t.c not to blow anything up and put the power down... with a fully built engine its easy 700+hp all day.

If you arent using it for the drag strip regularly or own a shop / doing it urself for fun its alotta kesh

And he's aiming for 500hp+, not 700hp (though that is technically 500hp+, I grant, people generally don't say 500+ when they mean ~700 ) :

Hi, I am going from a stock car 2018 to a full stage 3, i can tell you what the difference is hopefully in the next few weeks, I have been waiting like 2 months for all parts to come in from overseas, I am going going all in around 25k worth, upgrading everything & the kicker is going with flex fuelling, hoping to see 350kw+ at the wheels. The company tuning are getting that now in Golf's so should be no probs in my Arteon. Looking to run into the 10 second quarter mile times, well that's the goal.

Some people are happy with second hand, some people may want new (and if there's no second hand ones lying around, he's kinda stuck with new anyway).

A big question will be whether 350kW+ will get him to 10-second passes. Assuming an unladen weight of ~1700kgs, he'd need a fraction over 550hp to run a 10-second (10.999 or better) quarter mile.

[amunra]

The issue is he's not coming from Stage1 or Stage2 - he's starting from stock.



And he's aiming for 500hp+, not 700hp (though that is technically 500hp+, I grant, people generally don't say 500+ when they mean ~700 ) :



Some people are happy with second hand, some people may want new (and if there's no second hand ones lying around, he's kinda stuck with new anyway).

A big question will be whether 350kW+ will get him to 10-second passes. Assuming an unladen weight of ~1700kgs, he'd need a fraction over 550hp to run a 10-second (10.999 or better) quarter mile.

downpipe and IC .. +1.5-2K.

prob gonna need between 600 - 700HP full torque horses to move the arteon

[nermal]

why is it costing 25k.. lol

You CAN spend upwards of $13K on ceramic brakes alone. Most regular 6-piston 380mm brake kits are $5-6K... then include turbos, heavy duty clutches, exhausts etc - it all adds up quickly.

[amunra]

You CAN spend upwards of $13K on ceramic brakes alone. Most regular 6-piston 380mm brake kits are $5-6K... then include turbos, heavy duty clutches, exhausts etc - it all adds up quickly.

yeh. but why would you be putting on ceramics on a drag car? they are actually worse until heated up properly... more of a circuit track thing

[nermal]

yeh. but why would you be putting on ceramics on a drag car? they are actually worse until heated up properly... more of a circuit track thing

Aah, ok - so you're assuming that @BO11OS is going stage 3 just to get 10s quarter mile times? - but @BO11OS' can speak for his/her self.

Personally, if I only wanted a drag car, then I wouldn't choose an Arteon. I like the Arteon because it's a comfortable daily driver that looks good and can be tuned up for more fun.

[amunra]

Aah, ok - so you're assuming that @BO11OS is going stage 3 just to get 10s quarter mile times? - but @BO11OS' can speak for his/her self.

Personally, if I only wanted a drag car, then I wouldn't choose an Arteon. I like the Arteon because it's a comfortable daily driver that looks good and can be tuned up for more fun.

well he made it out like thats the aim.. and yeh i wouldnt have picked an arteon to go full build stage 3 either. stage 2 prob enough.. maybe a hybrid turbo stage 3

[petemac110]

well he made it out like thats the aim..

Re-reading his post, his stated aim was wanting to run 10s, not building a drag car. They are two very different things, and it's far more likely that he wants to build a rapid, spacious, comfortable, well-appointed street car, rather than turning an Arteon into a quarter mile focused machine. I guess the poster can clarify for us.

[amunra]

Re-reading his post, his stated aim was wanting to run 10s, not building a drag car. They are two very different things, and it's far more likely that he wants to build a rapid, spacious, comfortable, well-appointed street car, rather than turning an Arteon into a quarter mile focused machine. I guess the poster can clarify for us.

runnings 10s means ur going to the strip and running 10s

[petemac110]

runnings 10s means ur going to the strip and running 10s

Exactly - no mention of it being a drag car. Just a car capable of 10s. You can achieve the latter without necessarily being the former.

[BO11OS]

Hi guys, happy for anyone to ask me what I am doing & why & happy to break down the cost's, all parts are new. My car sit's under the car port 6 out of 7 days a week it's not my daily & to be honest my son is now 17 & into cars, he has a GTI & we are playing what that so it got me more motivated to play with my Arteon. I am an old school racer from 25 years ago when I had rotary's so the fact the Arteon is a luxury car but fast is a bonus.
Quick run down on parts & tune,
V5 large Techtronic's turbo (still very driveable)
larger intercooler
larger fuel injectors
high flow fuel pumps
full exhaust
full intake upgrade
will be a Galano flex fuel setup with DSG tuning also so will be able to run on E85 or premium
plenty of other bits I have left out, but basically I am going for a 10 second pass hopefully mid 10's already a proven package in multiple cars just search Galano, The car will still be very street friendly.
If anyone want's to know more feel free to message me & as soon as it's all done I will post up pics & info with a time slip as we go along.

[amunra]

Hi guys, happy for anyone to ask me what I am doing & why & happy to break down the cost's, all parts are new. My car sit's under the car port 6 out of 7 days a week it's not my daily & to be honest my son is now 17 & into cars, he has a GTI & we are playing what that so it got me more motivated to play with my Arteon. I am an old school racer from 25 years ago when I had rotary's so the fact the Arteon is a luxury car but fast is a bonus.
Quick run down on parts & tune,
V5 large Techtronic's turbo (still very driveable)
larger intercooler
larger fuel injectors
high flow fuel pumps
full exhaust
full intake upgrade
will be a Galano flex fuel setup with DSG tuning also so will be able to run on E85 or premium
plenty of other bits I have left out, but basically I am going for a 10 second pass hopefully mid 10's already a proven package in multiple cars just search Galano, The car will still be very street friendly.
If anyone want's to know more feel free to message me & as soon as it's all done I will post up pics & info with a time slip as we go along.

how many ponys u going for big boy