Tiguan Performance Tuning

[Tiggy1]

Its a frustration I know. The ECUs are not that universal. Without committing to tuning just one ECU type it would be massively expensive.

It would be possible for a 9n Polo GTI to have an ECU that had had the immobiliser defeated. That could be swapped in while the original ECU was tuned but it wouldn't get used that much really.

Gavin

One of the disadvantages to modern technology I guess (just ask the truckies what they think of it - not impressed, especially when broken down in the bush) Oh well, can live in hope I guess.
Cheers

[Guy_H]

Hi Guy,

Well since you asked....

What is the difference in performance between the 95RON and 98RON APR tunes?

Do you have the power/torque curves that include bottom end for 125/147TSI Tig - say 1500-2500 RPM (as website only has 2500-6500)?

Any comments on APR tune with a DSG box and whether this is going to improve the performance pulling out into traffic? Main complaint with the stock Tig (125TSI DSG) is that there's a lag after turning in and putting the boot in to getting up and going. Is APR stage 1 going to fix this? Or is this a DSG-lag/turbo-lag issue that's not going to get resolved so easily?

For those of us with newer vehicles with the 1024 bit encryption is there any way to easily get a trial (other than driving someone elses car)? Understand that there's quite a bit more work involved to put it in. How do you generally work this? Also if you do put a trial in will you have to pull the ECU out again if someone wants to go ahead with the "full" version?

How do insurance companies view APR tunes? What about VW manufacturer warranty? What are the risks/downsides/potential losses if you get a tune (APR or other) done to your car?

I know some of these questions may have been addressed in this thread already by others but I'd be interested in your thoughts/response.

main differences between the tunes (95 & 98 ) is the timing, but there are many other linked tables. On an APR calibration trip, we have many drums full of BP 95 & 98 and we are experts at draining & refilling fuel tanks with an auxillary battery & pump.

No massive change below 2500rpm as the turbo doesn't start to spool until then.

Feedback from DSG owners with TSI motors is the response is better - more torque to work with, but obviously a turbo motor still has to spin the turbo to make the power, we can't fix that. VW fixed that with the twincharger - drive a twincharger & you can see why they put a supercharger on before the turbo

No easy way to get a trial on the encrypted ECU's - because of the labor involved, I would suggest doing it when you have the budget & use the 7 day money back guarantee on the product. And if we did the trial, we can unlock it without pulling it out again, but this is not normal practice. Some dealers charge the labor on a trial (2 hours) & refund it if you purchase the product.

Check with your insurance company, tens of thousands of people have modified cars insured. If your insurance company does not like "modifications" then ring another company. I have never heard of anyone who couldn't insure a "chipped" car in the 14 years we have been doing this!

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Excellent summary of all my concerns (and many others too I suspect) - waiting with bated breath for reply
My only other question is whether APR has considered (or whether even feasible) to supply re-flashed ECU for the non-directport tunable vehicles on an exchange basis. This, I believe, solve two issues - one being that the ECU can be programmed and tested at APR to ensure consistency of quality, and two, would cut down the time factor of having to send ECU away if required. The dealer could basically just do direct changeover. This is my biggest concern, given that I am about 5hrs drive from nearest dealer!
Cheers

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Got confirmation back that mine is also one of the non-direct port tunable ones ("rare"-ha). In Superchips defence, Peter (Oceania Director), has been very quick & forthright with answers to my questions/concerns. Has even offered to come to me to do benchtune (been doing them since 1993 apparently, so seems to know his stuff). Still considering.....
P.S: kudos also to Jimmy at Alba European (Qld Superchips' dealer where I got the BlueFin) for his help in the initial "trying to get the darn thing to work" stage, and for honouring their moneyback guarantee. He has done many bench tunes, he says, so another option for you folk in Bris-vegas

The biggest problem is cloning the immobilizer on the ECU - which at this stage an ECU swap can only be performed by your VW dealer.

If it's any help, our new Cairns dealer will be up & running soon & will have all the new bench flashing equipment as well. Hopefully that will be a bit closer for you.

[Tiggy1]

main differences between the tunes (95 & 98 ) is the timing, but there are many other linked tables. On an APR calibration trip, we have many drums full of BP 95 & 98 and we are experts at draining & refilling fuel tanks with an auxillary battery & pump.

No massive change below 2500rpm as the turbo doesn't start to spool until then.

Feedback from DSG owners with TSI motors is the response is better - more torque to work with, but obviously a turbo motor still has to spin the turbo to make the power, we can't fix that. VW fixed that with the twincharger - drive a twincharger & you can see why they put a supercharger on before the turbo

No easy way to get a trial on the encrypted ECU's - because of the labor involved, I would suggest doing it when you have the budget & use the 7 day money back guarantee on the product. And if we did the trial, we can unlock it without pulling it out again, but this is not normal practice. Some dealers charge the labor on a trial (2 hours) & refund it if you purchase the product.

Check with your insurance company, tens of thousands of people have modified cars insured. If your insurance company does not like "modifications" then ring another company. I have never heard of anyone who couldn't insure a "chipped" car in the 14 years we have been doing this!

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The biggest problem is cloning the immobilizer on the ECU - which at this stage an ECU swap can only be performed by your VW dealer.

If it's any help, our new Cairns dealer will be up & running soon & will have all the new bench flashing equipment as well. Hopefully that will be a bit closer for you.

Hi Guy,
yes that will be a big help - I presume they have all the training etc when you set them up? Don't like being a guinea-pig (they're expendable). Also, do you get the full functionality of the EMCS with benchtune (different programs etc), and would it still be the same price?
Can you tell me who the dealer will be and when you expect them to be up and running (PM me if you like)?
Cheers

[gecko2k]

If it's any help, our new Cairns dealer will be up & running soon & will have all the new bench flashing equipment as well.

w00t-w00t! Finally! First there was no tuner in CNS and now Viezu and APR! I guess I might have to give both a try haha!!!

Then again Viezu gives you a light DSG flash with the tune! FNQ-Dyno-Day anyone??

[Tiggy1]

w00t-w00t! Finally! First there was no tuner in CNS and now Viezu and APR! I guess I might have to give both a try haha!!!

Then again Viezu gives you a light DSG flash with the tune! FNQ-Dyno-Day anyone??

Yeah, good stuff hey - finally starting to look after us country folk, after all we are the backbone of the economy (there - got it in!)

[Guy_H]

They will be capable of all the types of tuning, including bench tuning too - will co-ordinate with you when we get closer - oh, they have a dyno as well. Will be up soon enough for training, so you might be able to catch up with our tech when he's in town.

We have been doing cars in NQ for years, normally we have flown up, and mostly done groups for the dealers. James was in Cairns a few months ago doing some Porsche turbo's, mercs & golfs.

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oh, yes, of course, the full EMCS switchability comes with the bench flash for the Tiguan.

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w00t-w00t! Finally! First there was no tuner in CNS and now Viezu and APR! I guess I might have to give both a try haha!!!

Then again Viezu gives you a light DSG flash with the tune! FNQ-Dyno-Day anyone??

Always up for that!

See if you can find out the technicalities about the "light DSG flash" please, the DSG computer is totally separate to the engine computer, and a totally different programming method!

[gecko2k]

Fully aware of that Guy I guess at the end of the day you would have to decide if you want your DSG to be modified, when so many units fail and you might not get it repaired because of the DSG-flash?!

From the back of my head I believe Simon said they are doing it via the OBD-Port, but I would have to check that again....

[Guy_H]

Fully aware of that Guy I guess at the end of the day you would have to decide if you want your DSG to be modified, when so many units fail and you might not get it repaired because of the DSG-flash?!

From the back of my head I believe Simon said they are doing it via the OBD-Port, but I would have to check that again....

cool - let us know!

[ViezuAustralia]

Viezu - Award winning and now all over Australia

w00t-w00t! Finally! First there was no tuner in CNS and now Viezu and APR! I guess I might have to give both a try haha!!!

Then again Viezu gives you a light DSG flash with the tune! FNQ-Dyno-Day anyone??

Bring on the dyno day for sure ! Mad keen to sort one of those out...

And wow guys do I have to read the whole of this thread or can I just jump in here ?!

Sure our HQ is based just north of Cairns so we do a lot of motors up here. Yes we love do a lot of Porsches too as I'm personally a long term Porsche owner and fanatic and always have been and we have vast amounts of experience with them because of our Tech Director's past and general world firsts when it comes to them... and lots of other stuff for that matter. Although we're looking at getting a Golf 'R' to supplement the track sprint stuff given we are pulling 4.1s 0-100 just from a dump pipe, CAI and our custom mapping...So we can properly feel at home on here with a VGA group motor rather than all these Astons and Ferrari owners ! It's great fun at the Euro and Porsche clubs up here but NOT ONE dub turns up.... C'mon Cairns people - PM me and we can sort out a club meet.

And of course we have every piece of hardware you can shake a stick at. Having said that the latest firmware on the KessV2 and the K-Tag Alien Tech systems service our entire range now so little point in anything else to be honest so our dealers will have that lot.

We've now launch in Melbourne, about to launch Brisbane, in fact lots more in the pipeline I won't crash this thread with here - but yes we can offer services including bench tuning all over Australia - and yes - the new Tigs are (awesome by the way) are bench tune only. I did take an ID file on a chap's 200hp variant up here recently but OBD tuning isn't going to happen on them... delightful 1024 bit encryption strikes again.

But absolutely as with all our VAG stuff - you get a light DSG tune thrown in with which ever level of tune you decide upon. Whether it's our Chamber of Commerce Award winning Blue Optimize custom written coding for 50% reduced emissions and max eco, and super slick smooth gains, our performance level or motorsport levels it's all custom written, fully insured mapping... Free lifetime of ownership flash updates, upgrades, return to stock for service programs (small charges may apply for bench tune motors) for those that don't trust the undetectable-to-dealer-diagnostics-tuning we offer. Incidentally if a service centre flash an upgrade on the ecu we need a new read file, and will supply a free new custom written map again, for the lifetime of your ownership of the vehicle. And if you do any hardware mods they are written perfectly into the coding - so you can get the best out of them for one, but also no more 'hoping' the CEL doesn't come on.

The optional (but free) light-dsg-tune alters the LC if applicable and makes for faster pick-up, smoother shifting, quicker shifting and just generally sorts out the complaints about the DGS boxes in general. Feel free to ask any of the Golf R or GTi guys on here about it rather than me selling it you. And yes, again is covered by our insurance.

Anyway - that's probably enough so I'll duck out for now but always happy to answer any question anyone may have.

Have a look here if you need to know more on us for now too - our website is undergoing maintenance so will be out of action for a few days

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f20/viezu-tuning-golf-r-wow-64477.html

VIEZU Australia

We've barely launched and are doing a lot of VAG models across Aus' - but give us until new year and you'll see what the fastest growing tuning brand in the world is about

Cheers

Simon

Director
Viezu Australia

That reminds me - I must sort my sign off for posts...

[Tiggy1]

Bring on the dyno day for sure ! Mad keen to sort one of those out...

And wow guys do I have to read the whole of this thread or can I just jump in here ?!

Sure our HQ is based just north of Cairns so we do a lot of motors up here. Yes we love do a lot of Porsches too as I'm personally a Porsche fanatic and always have been and we have vast amounts of experience with them because of our Tech Director's past. Although we're looking at getting a Golf 'R' to supplement the track sprint stuff given we are pulling 4.1s 0-100 just from a dump pipe, CAI and our custom mapping...So we can properly feel at home on here!

And of course we have every piece of hardware you can shake a stick at. Having said that the latest firmware on the KessV2 and the K-Tag Alien Tech systems service our entire range now so little point in anything else to be honest so our dealers will have that lot.

We've now launch in Melbourne, about to launch Brisbane, in fact lots more in the pipeline I won't crash this thread with here - but yes we can offer services including bench tuning all over Australia - and yes - the new Tigs are (awesome by the way) are bench tune only. I did take an ID file on a chap's 200hp variant up here recently but OBD tuning isn't going to happen on them... delightful 1024 bit encryption strikes again.

But absolutely as with all our VAG stuff - you get a light DSG tune thrown in with which ever level of tune you decide upon. Whether it's our Chamber of Commerce Award winning Blue Optimize custom written coding for 50% reduced emissions and max eco, and super slick smooth gains, our performance level or motorsport levels it's all custom written, fully insured mapping... Free lifetime of ownership flash updates, upgrades, return to stock for service programs (small charges may apply for bench tune motors) for those that don't trust the undetectable-to-dealer-diagnostics-tuning we offer. Incidentally if a service centre flash an upgrade on the ecu we need a new read file, and will supply a free new custom written map again, for the lifetime of your ownership of the vehicle. And if you do any hardware mods they are written perfectly into the coding - so you can get the best out of them for one, but also no more 'hoping' the CEL doesn't come on.

The free light-dsg-tune alters the LC if applicable and makes for faster pick-up, smoother shifting, quicker shifting and just generally sorts out the complaints about the DGS boxes in general. Feel free to ask any of the Golf R or GTi guys on here about it rather than me selling it you.

Anyway - that's probably enough so I'll duck out for now but always happy to answer any question anyone may have.

Have a look here if you need to know more on us for now too - our website is undergoing maintenance so will be out of action for a few days

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f20/viezu-tuning-golf-r-wow-64477.html

VIEZU Australia

We've barely launched and are doing a lot of VGA models across Aus' - but give us until new year and you'll see what the fastest growing tuning brand in the world is about

Cheers

Simon

Director
Viezu Australia

That reminds me - I must sort my sign off for posts...

Well, what a coincidence - was just about to put up a post saying I had decided to go with Simon & Viezu for my tune. The above pretty much explains the reasons why. With respect to the others (APR and Superchips' in particular), Viezu seems to offer the best combination of proven results with tune personalised to each particular vehicle and owners needs & wants and value for the service provided. And he is HERE, and able to do it NOW (can't wait!) Have actually met Simon personally and believe he can back up the talk with results - will certainly be giving my "before & after" comparison results
Check this out (hijacked it from Golf Forum) - it rocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiQETjVDxwY&feature=feedu

[Guy_H]

But absolutely as with all our VAG stuff - you get a light DSG tune thrown in with which ever level of tune you decide upon.
The optional (but free) light-dsg-tune alters the LC if applicable and makes for faster pick-up, smoother shifting, quicker shifting and just generally sorts out the complaints about the DGS boxes in general. Feel free to ask any of the Golf R or GTi guys on here about it rather than me selling it you. And yes, again is covered by our insurance.

So Simon, can you clarify that you are remapping the DSG Mechantronics (The DSG ECU) - or are you only remapping the engine?

[ViezuAustralia]

Viezu - Award winning all over the world and now are here all over Australia

So Simon, can you clarify that you are remapping the DSG Mechantronics (The DSG ECU) - or are you only remapping the engine?

Guy I hear you're a fellow Porsche owner Are you going to put the turbo or charger kit on it ?

I'm not sure I can tell you trade secrets on how our light-dsg alterations are done but whilst our website is down for maintenance and expansion, HQ's own website link about DSG mapping might be useful to these chaps if they're interested

DSG Gearbox Tuning and Performance - Car Tuning, Performance Engine Tuning, ECU Remapping / ECU Remaps

[h100vw]

Come on Simon, he wasn't asking what you changed, so it wouldn't be a trade secret you are giving away. You flash the mechatronics through the OBD is the question he is asking. So basically there's 2 flashes being applied to the car.

Gavin

[Guy_H]

Cheers Simon,

As Gav said above, I simply asked if you are flashing the mechatronics unit (via OBD or other) - that's the DSG's ECU. If you can confirm or is it only the engine you are flashing with the

But absolutely as with all our VAG stuff - you get a light DSG tune thrown in with which ever level of tune you decide upon.

Thanks if you can confirm for the thread.

Cayman has been great, it has had a turbo on it for two years, but we have been making some major mods to the system for the past couple of months - I miss driving it, its an awesome bit of kit

[ViezuAustralia]

Cheers Simon,

As Gav said above, I simply asked if you are flashing the mechatronics unit (via OBD or other) - that's the DSG's ECU. If you can confirm or is it only the engine you are flashing with the



Thanks if you can confirm for the thread.

Cayman has been great, it has had a turbo on it for two years, but we have been making some major mods to the system for the past couple of months - I miss driving it, its an awesome bit of kit

Sure chaps.

We offer full DSG ECU tuning through serial but the light-dsg-tune is coding through the main ECU. It's a free option for most DSG motors, just like speed limiter removal and that sort of thing.

The Golf 'R' owners which seem to be one of our biggest VAG tuning groups at the moment are loving them. Clients say the launch control is altered from 3200 to around 4200rpm and the lazy pick up is very much improved along with faster smoother shifting.

When our new website is re-launched I'll do a full piece on there about it. I'll also do a proper DSG tuning part in our sponsor section.

Sounds great on your Cayman - keep me posted on that I'm interested in the TPC Turbo Kit for my DE1... We'll do our own coding for it though of course (!)