Tiguan Performance Tuning

[tigger73]

I have the superchips tune with an Automatic (sad....) From numbers and from what I've read of other people's experience.

From APR you get more low down torque from 1.7k RPM (you get a bucket load of it!) You do get more low down torque for superchips but just a bit better than stock just not as much as APR. Seems pretty week as it gets close to 3k and is about to change gears but it is still substantially better than my 125TSi....(automatic gearbox)

At the moment, my fuel consumption didn't get any better. With the woman of the house driving the car, I am getting 11.7L/100 over 2000km.
From 3.5k onwards ish imo pulls strongly but I'd assume APR pulls just a tiny bit more from stats. (never driven APR)
Overall I think Superchips is a bargain, but if your the type to thrash it around I think you'd enjoy the APR more. Sometimes I wish I got the APR but due to the missus, I'd rather have her not know I modded the family car....yes the change only slightly noticable during normal driving

So how do you find your Superchips tune off the line? Sounds like the APR will get going quicker with better bottom end performance.

Yes Superchips is the budget tune - just trying to work out if I'd be disappointed/want more if I got it.

Main problem I have with my stock 125TSI is that it sometimes gets bogged when you really need to get going quickly (like pulling out into traffic). Nothing worse than having someone up your ass before you get to 2,000 revs and the turbo cuts in. Unless you drive around in sports mode and ignore the down shifts coming into traffic lights.

Does this get solved with a Superchips tune or am I best off biting the bullet and going the whole hog with APR?

I think I'll go and get the 6 hour demo... but then I don't think I'd ever be happy with second best (which is I guess why they do it).

Hmmmm... also gotta get this one past the missus

[clip]

Tigger73, as you have DSG, I reckon you need the APR map:

As I've mentioned, I haven't had the Superchip, but I have had the APR and the Oettinger maps in the Tig. I had the Oet first and wasn't impressed for my needs. The APR was night and day in comparison -BUT it depends how you drive, where you drive and what you want. The Oet, which I suspect sounds very similar in charactersitic to the Superchip, provided substaintial improvement at high revs and high speed. But it had no where near (IMO) the linear torque spread that the APR map gave. SO driving with the Oet (or Superchip if it is similar) would be great if I lived in Germany and drove on the autobahns all day, and/or didn't want anyone to know that I had it chipped when driving around town or even punting at lower revs. Whereas the APR gave tremendous drivability down low with unbelievable acceleration off the line (but then also keeping it slotted in 3 or 4th gear at 3500 - 5000rpm would keep you well and truely in jail!).


Without trying to sound like a tosser, the little 2litre Tig with an APR map made mince meat out of nearly every other standard 'passanger' car- off the line and on the highway - for me, it's all about drivabilty. The Tig with APR map and H&R sus was an absolute blast to drive, and yes, I do miss it

[Pullstarter]

Goodspeed also do a 3" DP for the Tiguan 4mo;

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[tigger73]

Tigger73, as you have DSG, I reckon you need the APR map:

As I've mentioned, I haven't had the Superchip, but I have had the APR and the Oettinger maps in the Tig. I had the Oet first and wasn't impressed for my needs. The APR was night and day in comparison -BUT it depends how you drive, where you drive and what you want. The Oet, which I suspect sounds very similar in charactersitic to the Superchip, provided substaintial improvement at high revs and high speed. But it had no where near (IMO) the linear torque spread that the APR map gave. SO driving with the Oet (or Superchip if it is similar) would be great if I lived in Germany and drove on the autobahns all day, and/or didn't want anyone to know that I had it chipped when driving around town or even punting at lower revs. Whereas the APR gave tremendous drivability down low with unbelievable acceleration off the line (but then also keeping it slotted in 3 or 4th gear at 3500 - 5000rpm would keep you well and truely in jail!).


Without trying to sound like a tosser, the little 2litre Tig with an APR map made mince meat out of nearly every other standard 'passanger' car- off the line and on the highway - for me, it's all about drivabilty. The Tig with APR map and H&R sus was an absolute blast to drive, and yes, I do miss it

Yeah I know... otherwise I'll pay for the tune twice.

Looking at the torque and power curves for Superchips it is more about middle/top end and agree that with my DSG it's not really going to solve the problem of getting off the line.

So just go and get an APR tune and beg for forgiveness later???

[Tiggy1]

Quote from Aussietig "AFAIK and I've tried, the Bluefin may not be able to read original map due to the Bosch encryption.

FWIW, we have the same MY and my VAG definitely had this chastity belt on it.

But nevertheless worth a try ... provided you get assurance that you will get a full refund, if it doesn't work."

Hi AussieTig. I suspect mine has the encryption like yours, but Superchips Oceania agent checked with their UK HO and they reckon it should work! They offer a 7 day "no quibbles" satisfaction guarantee so I guess can't hurt to try it
On another topic, how did you get your accelerator sports pedal to fit? Just got me a set of ABT Sportline pedals, and brake no probs but can't work out how to get accelerator apart (appears to be all one piece, fixed to floor where it pivots?) Footrest not a chance though, so wondering whether Tig different to MKVI Golf (that these supposedly suit)?!
Cheers

[99Reza]

Anyone tried Bayside Performance in Brisbane yet?

A thread in this forum about a Golf GTI Mk6 with Bosch MED17.5 tuned by them. Do we share the same ECU type?
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...tml#post628076

It appears that the tuner can tune the ECU w/o taking the ECU out and a Dyno to prove it. Only a single program though.

[team_v]

Anyone tried Bayside Performance in Brisbane yet?

A thread in this forum about a Golf GTI Mk6 with Bosch MED17.5 tuned by them. Do we share the same ECU type?
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...tml#post628076


It appears that the tuner can tune the ECU w/o taking the ECU out and a Dyno to prove it. Only a single program though.

I went to Bayside Performance for my Muffler delete.
James is a great guy and very knowledgable.

Would gladly reccomend their work.

[Tiggy1]

I went to Bayside Performance for my Muffler delete.
James is a great guy and very knowledgable.

Would gladly reccomend their work.

What's with the advertising goldarn-it! I know the forum needs it to cover running costs, but my poor old beast has enough trouble with all the pop-ups and flashy bits as it is

Apologies TeamV - thought Sunsuper thing was from you because it appeared in the middle of your post. Must have been still floating while my page refreshed (time to trade the old klunker in maybe?!)

[donweather]

Looking at the torque and power curves for Superchips

Could you please provide a link to these curves as I can't find the curves, only the maximum power and torque increase figures.

[aussietig]

Hi AussieTig. I suspect mine has the encryption like yours, but Superchips Oceania agent checked with their UK HO and they reckon it should work! They offer a 7 day "no quibbles" satisfaction guarantee so I guess can't hurt to try it

On another topic, how did you get your accelerator sports pedal to fit? Just got me a set of ABT Sportline pedals, and brake no probs but can't work out how to get accelerator apart (appears to be all one piece, fixed to floor where it pivots?) Footrest not a chance though, so wondering whether Tig different to MKVI Golf (that these supposedly suit)?!
Cheers

Well that's what they fcuking told me too (based on my engine code)!

But the bluefin stopped reading two-thirds the way in and then was asked to send the incomplete map to UK HO for diagnostic, then 15mins they confirmed the bad news that they couldn't crack it.

Was offered the option of pulling ECU out to load, but not my cup of tea and it totally defeats the purpose of going with SuperChips in the first place. So got my money back!

Anyhow ... do let us know Tiggy1, if you do go down that route and it does work on yours.



Yep accelerator pedal is a real bitch to take off!

Unfortunately very hard to explain without pics of the pedal removed!

But nevertheless, I'll try and going off my vague memory:

If you look carefully at the very front end of the pedal (black plastic base closest to you) and lift it up a bit (and use a torch), there is actually two cut outs at the base. That's where you insert a long flat thin flat head screwdriver all the way in and try and probe or knockout the rubber clasp that's holding the pedal to the long centre bolt/stem that goes all the way down to the floor.

You have to insert in a good 10-15cm before you hit the centre bolt/stem.


EDIT: Just realised ABT pedals are the "drill them onto the existing pedal" type right?
If that's the case, then just drill and screw over the existing pedal.
In my case, it was a complete replace of the entire accelerator pedal unit with a mk5 GTI one.

[tigger73]

Could you please provide a link to these curves as I can't find the curves, only the maximum power and torque increase figures.

The link is off the Superchips page with results for Tiguan, but actually shows the curve for Scirocco (which I think is the same 2.0 turbo engine as Tiguan - but stand to be corrected by those in the know)

http://www.superchips.co.nz/curves/V...occo20TFSi.pdf

[aussietig]

The link is off the Superchips page with results for Tiguan, but actually shows the curve for Scirocco (which I think is the same 2.0 turbo engine as Tiguan - but stand to be corrected by those in the know)

http://www.superchips.co.nz/curves/V...occo20TFSi.pdf

They seriously need to fix that and post the right engine!

[203132]

Hello again.
Ever since i've gotten the Superchips tune I haven't been disappointed, my acceleration is on par on a rolling start with a RX8 (they are slow). The acceleration from start is fast and will be a HUGE improvement over stock. I'm not too sure about the 125TSI bogging down, I babied the car till 15,000 and got the tune around 30,000 all the way to 56k now. I have no complaints

[Tiggy1]

Well that's what they fcuking told me too (based on my engine code)!

But the bluefin stopped reading two-thirds the way in and then was asked to send the incomplete map to UK HO for diagnostic, then 15mins they confirmed the bad news that they couldn't crack it.

Was offered the option of pulling ECU out to load, but not my cup of tea and it totally defeats the purpose of going with SuperChips in the first place. So got my money back!

Anyhow ... do let us know Tiggy1, if you do go down that route and it does work on yours.



Yep accelerator pedal is a real bitch to take off!

Unfortunately very hard to explain without pics of the pedal removed!

But nevertheless, I'll try and going off my vague memory:

If you look carefully at the very front end of the pedal (black plastic base closest to you) and lift it up a bit (and use a torch), there is actually two cut outs at the base. That's where you insert a long flat thin flat head screwdriver all the way in and try and probe or knockout the rubber clasp that's holding the pedal to the long centre bolt/stem that goes all the way down to the floor.

You have to insert in a good 10-15cm before you hit the centre bolt/stem.


EDIT: Just realised ABT pedals are the "drill them onto the existing pedal" type right?
If that's the case, then just drill and screw over the existing pedal.
In my case, it was a complete replace of the entire accelerator pedal unit with a mk5 GTI one.

Hi. Yeah, fully expect that could be the case, but can't hurt to try I guess. Will let you know how it goes. On the topic of the pedal - EEK, drill into my Tig?! Might have to rethink that idea
Cheers

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They seriously need to fix that and post the right engine!

Yeah, did ask but they couldn't provide. I guess the old saying "you get what you pay for" rings true, but in my case "beggars can't be choosers" (full of them/it today ain't I?!). In their defence, Peter (Oceania Director) has been very helpful and has even offered to come to me and do bench tune if it doesn't work! Still reluctant to have someone digging around in Tig's innards and pulling her heart out though

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Hello again.
Ever since i've gotten the Superchips tune I haven't been disappointed, my acceleration is on par on a rolling start with a RX8 (they are slow). The acceleration from start is fast and will be a HUGE improvement over stock. I'm not too sure about the 125TSI bogging down, I babied the car till 15,000 and got the tune around 30,000 all the way to 56k now. I have no complaints

Hi, thanks for the feedback. Hard to know whether doing the right thing. Can't hurt to try though

[203132]

Think I will go dyno my car soon. I've always wanted to see how much i put down on the treads.