help:tiguan variant can't decide

[snooze]

thanks again guys for ur intuitive inputs.


I remember on my old r32 skyline GTR service was done every 5000km. I'd thought it would be the same for the tiguan as its essentially a turbo car. I would expect 10000km as a maximum due time for a service yet alone 15000km or am I underestimating volkswagen's architectural engine design? It seem more like a cost measure contrary to the regular service and maintenance of a turbo combustion engine.

[Sharkie]

I bought the TDI not for the economy (there is a 3 year pay back for the increased cost of the diesel motor) but because it drives like a 6 cyl because of the torque. As I drive in peak traffic most of the time, it feels like a six, its only when you wind it out through the gears (obviously not in traffic) that it becomes obvious its limited. Even then, its does a good job, mid range pick up on the freeway is excellent. I'd only see an advantage of Petrol if it was manual (And chipped)

From another thread ......

"The TDi makes 320Nm from 1750rmin-2500rmin .... it is very far from a flat torque curve as it climbs very steeply to that point and drops quite steeply from 2500 onwards. It is only flat for 750rmin and far from ideal.

The TSi Tiguans makes 280Nm from 1700rmin - 5000rmin ... which is a flat torque powerband of 3300rmin which is amazing. At 1700rmin and from 2700rmin onwards it makes more torque than the TDi. Have a look at the torque curves ...... At crawling speed over obstacles off-road the TSI will have more torque delivered ......

The TDi's strenghts are its economy and lazy revving character not its torque advantage ...... The TDIs gear ratios are chosen to complement this, but in all acceleration tests, including in-gear overtaking it lags far behind the TSIs. "........

TDI does not have the torque advantage many think, you'd be better off in any possible "performance requiring" situation in a TSI. At idle and moving at peak hour speeds in traffic the TSI actually has more torque available/delivered ....... not to mention then later when you open it up in lighter traffic it has way more for longer as well.

EDIT: in addition the TDI has noticably more lag than the TSI and it is this lag that give the impression of more torque as it arrives in a rush after a few moments of nothing. The TSIs have small turbos (disappointingly so from a performance enhancement perspective) and spool up faster and get on with it quicker.

[Pullstarter]

Minimum servicing intervals are 15000 but VW reccomend a mini service every 7500. I will be changing the oil and filter in mine every 7500k for peace of mind, it's probably not necessary but i'm a fussy sod

Insurance for me is $850 a year as I've done some mods, GIO was fine with the mods as long as they're legal and you tell them about them as you do them. They even increase the value of your car to take into account the cost of the mods. Only drawback is an excess increase of $250 but tbh this really doesn't bother me as it's all on paper and there can be no backing out if/when clain time comes.

[dogbowl]

I would not recommend the TDI to anybody who want some performance as its only advantage is economy.

This is misleading. The TDI has heaps of low-down grunt, and plenty of oomph. Also, Diesels are not as affected by carrying loads or hills, so we ought to count that as advantageous.

Any Tiguan variant has plenty of performance for daily driving.

[DieselTig]

This is misleading. The TDI has heaps of low-down grunt, and plenty of oomph. Also, Diesels are not as affected by carrying loads or hills, so we ought to count that as advantageous.

Any Tiguan variant has plenty of performance for daily driving.

I guess if someone wanted performance, why not go for golf gti or the R32, why bother with so much power on SUV. It is pure physics here, SUV high centre of gravity and therefore not stable enough when cornering. Golf has very low centre of gravity and suitable driving like a race car and therefore worth having the extra power and torque.
SUV's intended purpose is for leisure drives on and off road and enjoying the surroundings without concentrating how fast you need to turn at the next corner.

[mickofoz]

Couldn't agree with more. If I wanted a race car, would have bought an R32. People seem to forget they bought an SUV.

[Sharkie]

This is misleading. The TDI has heaps of low-down grunt, and plenty of oomph. Also, Diesels are not as affected by carrying loads or hills, so we ought to count that as advantageous.

Any Tiguan variant has plenty of performance for daily driving.

No its not misleading, the comparison is between the TSI and TDI Tigs. The 1 (TSI) has performance and the other does not comparitvely.

For daily sedate driving both are perfectly fine, however any other petrol non-turbo mainstream SUV is quicker than the TDI .... have a look at the SUV megatest in Wheels magazine recently for confirmation of this fact.

And neither of the Tigs are affected by hills and loads, the turbos (diesel and petrol) see to that.

Bottom line is, if you want decent performance from your small SUV pick a TSI Tiguan or a XT Forrester.

[Sharkie]

Couldn't agree with more. If I wanted a race car, would have bought an R32. People seem to forget they bought an SUV.

I am buying a Golf R as my "race car". There is nothing wrong with wanting decent performance from your small SUV. Porsche, VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes all have "performance" models in their medium & large SUV ranges.

There is a definate market for small performance SUV's and Subaru has been it for many years with the XT Forrester. VW's only getting into it now, in Europe you can even order a R-Line Tiguan with all kinds of extras.

[Sharkie]

.... For daily sedate driving both are perfectly fine, however any other petrol non-turbo mainstream SUV is quicker than the TDI .... have a look at the SUV megatest in Wheels magazine recently for confirmation of this fact .... .

Wheels September 2008 SUV Test

0-100km/h as a benchmark

VW Tiguan TDI Manual = 10.9s (Auto is even slower according to VW)

Subaru Forrester 2.5 Manual = 9.6s
Mitsubishi Outlander Manual = 9.6s
Nissan Xtrail Auto = 9.0s
Toyota RAV4 2.4 Auto = 10.4s
Subaru Forrester 2.5 Auto = 10.2s

And some diesel competitors ....
Land Rover Freelander TD Auto = 10.4s
Jeep Patriot TDI Manual = 10.6s

August 09 Wheels test of the Premium SUVs
BMW X3 2.0TDI Auto = 9.0s (and it weighs 150kg more than a Tiguan)
Audi Q5 TDI DSG = 10.1s (and it weighs 200kg more than a Tiguan)

[mickofoz]

Well... my next car in 3 - 4 years will be a Touareg. Hopefully by then they will offer the V8 version. I doubt they will ever offer the W12 version here. I have driven the W12 in Germany last year. Now that's performance. Makes the Tigga tuners look silly.

[dogbowl]

Wheels September 2008 SUV Test

0-100km/h as a benchmark

VW Tiguan TDI Manual = 10.9s (Auto is even slower according to VW)

Subaru Forrester 2.5 Manual = 9.6s
Mitsubishi Outlander Manual = 9.6s
Nissan Xtrail Auto = 9.0s
Toyota RAV4 2.4 Auto = 10.4s
Subaru Forrester 2.5 Auto = 10.2s

And some diesel competitors ....
Land Rover Freelander TD Auto = 10.4s
Jeep Patriot TDI Manual = 10.6s

August 09 Wheels test of the Premium SUVs
BMW X3 2.0TDI Auto = 9.0s (and it weighs 150kg more than a Tiguan)
Audi Q5 TDI DSG = 10.1s (and it weighs 200kg more than a Tiguan)

I wonder how the Diesel performs in relation to 60-100 km/h? I am buying th petrol, but was amazed at the grunt in the TDI. Actually, I have yet to drive a petrol so hope it is up to expectation!

[Sharkie]

I wonder how the Diesel performs in relation to 60-100 km/h? I am buying th petrol, but was amazed at the grunt in the TDI. Actually, I have yet to drive a petrol so hope it is up to expectation!

Again, the TDI flatters to deceive ....... what your seat of your pants are telling you and the real story is quite different.....

From the same Wheels Megatest ..... a quick comparison as an example ......

VW Tiguan 2.0 TDI 6spd manual 103kw/320NM@1750rmin/1630kg
0-100km/h - 10.9s
400m - 17.6s
80-120km/h in 3rd - Not possible
80-120km/h in 4th - 7.4s
80-120km/h in 5th - 8.5s
80-120km/h in 6th - 10.1s

Honda CRV Sport 6spd manual 125kw/218NM@4200rmin/1580kg
0-100km/h - 8.8s
400m - 15.8s
80-120km/h in 3rd - 5.5
80-120km/h in 4th - 6.9s
80-120km/h in 5th - 9s
80-120km/h in 6th - 10.3s

So in effect a normally aspirated 2.4l weighing almost the same and 100NM down on torque is pretty much on par in the overtaking stakes with the "grunty" TDI....... Off the line and the TDI is no match at all .....

EDIT:
I still have a 2.4 MK2 RAV4 slightly modified to produce 130kw/240NM (until the R arrives) and know that it is both quicker than the CRV and on par with my 125TSI manual off the line. In in-gear overtaking the Tig has it beat though; as brilliant as the VVTI engine is in the Rav it is no match for the petrol turbo torque across 3300rmin of the TSI ....... (and that was with my wife driving the Tig)

[snooze]

can I confirm if the 125tsi engine is still the same as the golf gti?

are any any difference between 125tsi and 147 tsi?

( I'm assuming they are exactly the same as chip tune to these engine gives the same 190Kw output)

[clip]

can I confirm if the 125tsi engine is still the same as the golf gti?

are any any difference between 125tsi and 147 tsi?

( I'm assuming they are exactly the same as chip tune to these engine gives the same 190Kw output)

As far as I know, the 125 /147 tsi (identical engines) will also be run in the new MK6 GTi (out later this year) which is different to the current GTi engine. Changes include fuel pump, heads -and some other stuff from memory - all of which makes it a great proposition for upgrades too.

[clip]

Again, the TDI flatters to deceive ....... what your seat of your pants are telling you and the real story is quite different.....

Interesting stuff over those last few posts there Sharkie . Glad someone has cleared it up.

I just hope that Will Hagen(?) is reading this because I'm sick and tired of hearing him carry on about how much more drivable diesels are because of their huge torque.