DSG finally gone in the MK8

[Sharkie]

Seems all lower Golfs have now done away with the DSG and have a new 8spd proper automatic across all 1.4TSI models including the incoming wagons. Some reliability at last ....

[Lucas_R]

Goodbye to the terrible DQ200.............dont let the door hit your arse on your way out.

[Splashalot]

Agree. Good riddance DQ200. Torque converter auto should be a good match to the little 1.4. Should make for a very smooth drive.

[Sydneykid]

Never had a problem with any of the DQ200's in 4 different cars, over 9 years and 250k's not an issue. No DSG means we (my family) will not be replacing the current Golfs with any fitted with stinking torque converter autos. At least GTi's and R's still have DSG's.

Cheers
Gary

[Sharkie]

Never had a problem with any of the DQ200's in 4 different cars, over 9 years and 250k's not an issue. No DSG means we (my family) will not be replacing the current Golfs with any fitted with stinking torque converter autos. At least GTi's and R's still have DSG's.

Cheers
Gary

Actually I remember you did have an issue .... https://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums...t=#post1326918 so you cannot claim to have had no issues .... and that was on the 7spd dry clutch too ...

[Sydneykid]

Actually I remember you did have an issue .... https://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums...t=#post1326918 so you cannot claim to have had no issues .... and that was on the 7spd dry clutch too ...

I didn't consider it for this discussion as it wasn't a mechanical issue with the gearbox, it was an electrical issue with the solenoid on the mechatronic unit.

Cheers
Gary

[Lucas_R]

I didn't consider it for this discussion as it wasn't a mechanical issue with the gearbox, it was an electrical issue with the solenoid on the mechatronic unit.

Cheers
Gary

There are 2x main/common (far too common) faults with this gearbox. One being the clutches failing prematurely causing slipping and shuddering, and the other being the mechatronics failing causing rough shifts or simply failing to shift which usually results in the car only being able to use odd or even gears but not both like it normally would.

[Sharkie]

I didn't consider it for this discussion as it wasn't a mechanical issue with the gearbox, it was an electrical issue with the solenoid on the mechatronic unit.

Cheers
Gary

Its still a 25% failure rate in your household. In real world terms even that is unacceptably high. In other less fortunate households many owners had 2 issues during their ownership of the cars .....

And the massive DSG recall from VWA was all about the mechatronics failing in some way. Yours was therefore a typical and totally expected failure.

Also very common is the clutches failing which is more down to the way Aussies drive autos then anything else. Creeping is the killer of a DSG clutch pack.

Typically many owners would have both issues in a 3-5 year period, some even more than that.

Note, almost none of the failures are actually mechanical components of the box.

For everyday reliable use in most drivers' hands, the DSG was simply too unreliable and too costly for VW to keep going with. The new auto will be far more reliable and less expensive to own over the long term.

I see it as a win for customers and it will go a long way to lift VW from being regarded as unreliable by the public.

[thezoneR32]

I had a 100% failure rate from 2 DSG's. One 6sp in a R32 and one 7sp in an Audi Q5.

[Splashalot]

I didn't consider it for this discussion as it wasn't a mechanical issue with the gearbox, it was an electrical issue with the solenoid on the mechatronic unit.

Cheers
Gary

Seriously?! That is ridiculous...as detailed by Sharkie. Yeah, nah....good riddance DQ200.

I doubt VW will miss your sale given they're likely to pick up a heap more because of the switch to a conventional TC auto.

[Sydneykid]

Seriously?! That is ridiculous...as detailed by Sharkie. Yeah, nah....good riddance DQ200.
I doubt VW will miss your sale given they're likely to pick up a heap more because of the switch to a conventional TC auto.

Probably won't miss a sale, I'll just get a GTi with DSG instead. I hate torque converter autos, they are slow and not fuel efficient. In effect VW has effectively pushed me into spending more money to get a DSG, so they are probably happy with that result.

I would guess 95% of the customer when buying a Golf will have no idea about the change, to them an auto is an auto.

Cheers
Gary

[Lucas_R]

I hate torque converter autos, they are slow and not fuel efficient.

Some of the modern torque convertor autos are fantastic and as far as you would know you are driving a DSG equipped vehicle (eg ZF 8 speed auto as fitted to many AWD and RWD cars such as BMW, Audi, Alfa Romeo, Toyota Supra etc). I have the ZF 8 speed in my Audi SQ5 and you get the smoothness of a traditional auto in parking/traffic situations, but the speed of a DSG in terms of gear changing and acceleration.

I would guess 95% of the customer when buying a Golf will have no idea about the change, to them an auto is an auto.

Agreed.

[goobags]

I would guess 95% of the customer when buying a Golf will have no idea about the change, to them an auto is an auto.

Will probably attract some buyers too, lots of people don’t like ‘high tech’ VW’s with expensive gearboxes


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[Sydneykid]

The arguments about efficiency, warranty and buyer concern doesn't stack up for me. For Europe VW still specify the 7 speed DSG in their 1.5 litre as the torque converter auto doesn't pass Euro 6d emissions. We can only get torque converter autos because they pass the lower Euro 5 emission standard we have.

So only Australians are concerned about "‘high tech’ VW’s with expensive gearboxes" but the Europeans are OK with it? And VW is only concerned about DSG warranty here, but not concerned in Europe (where they sell millions more cars)? What am I missing?

Cheers
Gary

[Sharkie]

The arguments about efficiency, warranty and buyer concern doesn't stack up for me. For Europe VW still specify the 7 speed DSG in their 1.5 litre as the torque converter auto doesn't pass Euro 6d emissions. We can only get torque converter autos because they pass the lower Euro 5 emission standard we have.

So only Australians are concerned about "‘high tech’ VW’s with expensive gearboxes" but the Europeans are OK with it? And VW is only concerned about DSG warranty here, but not concerned in Europe (where they sell millions more cars)? What am I missing?

Cheers
Gary

For somebody normally, so knowledgeable, it seems your love of the DSG has blinded you to its faults and that you have done no reading up or research on what is actually wrong with the DSGs.

Many, many threads and articles around on the reasons of the failures of DSG boxes. For the DQ200, it was mostly a case of no proper testing by VW before releasing it into "hot weather" markets. The inherent design of sticking the electronics/mechatronics inside surrounded by hot gearbox oil is flawed. Most of VW's testing pre-release occurred in Europe where the testing in cooler weather simply did not show any major issues. Once the cars hit "hot weather" regions massive numbers of failures led to multiple recalls for DSG equipped vehicles. It took intervention from the media and regulators to get VW to actually address the very clear flaws. And they only put a band-aid on it till they could come up with a proper replacement.

Do a bit of research into it, perhaps it will change your mind.

And BTW, affected cars came from the US, China, Japan, South Africa, Singapore and Australia with only limited issues seen in Europe. It got so bad in China that the government forced VW to recall almost all DQ200 equipped cars (and there where hundreds of thousands). Well over a million cars worldwide has been affected ..... Australia alone recalled over 100,000 vehicles ....


This was simply the biggest failure of VW technology ever .... even worse than Dieselgate or the twincharge fiasco.