Golf R vs APR stage 1 Quattro A3 2.0t

[Finance_Analyst]

A true enthusiast would put handling above reliabilty and resale and get a Renault.

Not an anodyne German hatch based on resale.

Don't understand how a Renault is any more enthusiast than a VW. Renault's don't sell for the aforementioned reasons mentioned, plus they have even less brand prestige than VW.

And for anyone who dares to quote "motor mag rates the Rs250 over Golf GTi V Golf R, may I point you to EVO/CAR mag in the UK, they rank the Scirocco above the RS250, lending to the theory that either Renualt Aust pays Aust magazines for favourable reviews, or VW does in the UK.

[kamold]

I sold my a3 for 80% of its new car price after 2.5 years and 50k kms. Dealers were offering insulting values on the tradin but that's their job. I was happy with that.

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[SilvrFoxX]

I saw a 4-5 year old 3 door Audi S3 with about 60,000km odo selling at a Parramatta Road dealership for 37K in the recent past. I figure the dealer must have paid about high 20,s to 30K for this vehicle. In contrast ... I sold my last MKV GTI 3.5 yrs old with 45,000km for 34K privately. Not exactly apples for apples, but a 70K Audi for similar price as a 50K MKV GTI ... stick with Volkswagen if you want a better chance of trading-up for less $$$.
Cheers.
WJ

Isn't it just a percentages game.. I mean if a car is going to drop 30% in value over x years then by default a higher priced car is going to take a bigger hit

Then of course there is a range depending on condition and kays..

a moot point if you ask me, why buy a car for the resale value.. sure it has some importance but not in the 3 - 5 years of owning a car.. too many factors.

[nat225]

never trust what the used car industry people say. u talk to new audi salesperson, he would say beautiful things including the resale.

lawyers and car sales people are the smartest storymakers.

this thread needs redbook facts.

[AdamD]

Maybe we need a dedicated resale value thread, although to be fair this talk doesn't really relate to the Mk6 at all, so the whole Audi vs VW vs The World on depreciation is probably best suited to General Discussion. At least then it'd be more searchable for people wanting to know about this stuff in the future.

Let's see if we can get the thread back on track... if there is a track.

[Ideo]

Don't understand how a Renault is any more enthusiast than a VW. Renault's don't sell for the aforementioned reasons mentioned, plus they have even less brand prestige than VW.

And for anyone who dares to quote "motor mag rates the Rs250 over Golf GTi V Golf R, may I point you to EVO/CAR mag in the UK, they rank the Scirocco above the RS250, lending to the theory that either Renualt Aust pays Aust magazines for favourable reviews, or VW does in the UK.

The RS250 is a better car to drive.

Enthusiasts, by their very definition, care more about how a car drives

Evo does not rate the Scirocco above the RS250 Cup. They also rate the previous versions R26.R as one of the best affordable sports cars around for sheer driving enjoyment. Not refinement. Not cupholders. Not reliability. Sheer driving enjoyment.

You are confusing being a car enthusiast with being a badge snob. Not everything in life can be brought down to having a dollar value.

[kamold]

A true enthusiast would probably ride a Ducati during the week and drive some sort of unregistered track weapon on the weekends.
Else they would eat two minute noodles for a decade in order to buy a 911 gt3....or something..

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[Finance_Analyst]

The RS250 is a better car to drive.

Enthusiasts, by their very definition, care more about how a car drives

Evo does not rate the Scirocco above the RS250 Cup. They also rate the previous versions R26.R as one of the best affordable sports cars around for sheer driving enjoyment. Not refinement. Not cupholders. Not reliability. Sheer driving enjoyment.

You are confusing being a car enthusiast with being a badge snob. Not everything in life can be brought down to having a dollar value.

Fair enough. You are still way off the initial topic that Audi's resale is so bad compared to BMW V Merc that it makes no sense to buy a new one as they sell for VW prices as used cars. And enthusiasts don't buy Audis over a BMW or Merc or VW as all of these cars are more or less the same as I have driven them all from the dealers around the place who invite me to the launches. Don't know why a Renault (which does not even rank on this list of cars mentioned, except they have F1 pedigree) was even dragged into this discussion - merely to justify that enthusiasts don't care about resale (I still disagree).

And I can't remember what UK mag it was - may be CAR. Nonetheless, one or the other magazines are being bribed by the car manufactures to win awards.

But if an Audi really does float your boat, buy one new. Just don't complain that your wallet is tens of thousand dollars less come selling time.

[Ideo]

I've owned a used Audi, and a used BMW.

You seem to think that an enthusiast makes a rational decision. A true enthusiast doesn't.

A golf is a good car. But don't kid yourself. It is not the be all and end all.

Every magazine I have read agrees that the Renault is the far superior drivers car. I've driven one. It is. But 2 doors only for a start meant that I had to make a compromise and get a less well driving car.

An enthusiast can and will buy an Audi - it just depends on which model. An RS4? Yes. An R8? Yes. A TTRS? Yes. A NA A4 with an SLine pack? No. The same applies to Merc. And BMW.

I don't car if you spend your weekends getting invited by dealers (oh get you, you big time player) for testdrives. It is meaningless.

[nat225]

stock megane rs250:

160kw atw
brembo 4 pots 330mm front brakes
lsd
recaro seats

sounds like a fun driver car ready for the track for me

same as sti and evo.

[Finance_Analyst]

I've owned a used Audi, and a used BMW.

You seem to think that an enthusiast makes a rational decision. A true enthusiast doesn't.

A golf is a good car. But don't kid yourself. It is not the be all and end all.

Every magazine I have read agrees that the Renault is the far superior drivers car. I've driven one. It is. But 2 doors only for a start meant that I had to make a compromise and get a less well driving car.

An enthusiast can and will buy an Audi - it just depends on which model. An RS4? Yes. An R8? Yes. A TTRS? Yes. A NA A4 with an SLine pack? No. The same applies to Merc. And BMW.

I don't car if you spend your weekends getting invited by dealers (oh get you, you big time player) for testdrives. It is meaningless.

As I said, fair enough that you like Audis/Renaults. Although you have still missed the entire point of what this thread is all about - namely that Audi resale values lag well behind its main rivals. That is why they represent great buying used (hence the initital thread about an A3 2.0T having no value used, irrespective if it is a great car or not). Totally irrelevant if an enthusiast buys an Audi, Renault or whatever else floats their boat. I think everyone here gets the point, except some who still want to defend the Audi marque to death do us part. The market (which is so much bigger than this entire forum) has already spoken in volumes about what it really thinks on the Audi brand and has demolished it on the used car scene. Which makes great buying for value seekers like me if I so choose to buy one. Which is what this thread was alluding to all along.

[brimway]

Although you have still missed the entire point of what this thread is all about - namely that Audi resale values lag well behind its main rivals.

The OP was NOT looking for opinions on resale value advice, so I think it is you who has missed the point!

[Candyman]

The original poster wasn't even talking about resale but power comparisons .....

Lost in translation again

Edit - haha Brimmers. In unison

[kaanage]

The OP was referring indirectly to Audi resale values by pointing out how a fairly recent 2nd hand Audi S3 which has VERY similar specification to the Golf R can be bought for far, far less than the Golf R

[Candyman]

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