Golf R vs APR stage 1 Quattro A3 2.0t

[Finance_Analyst]

I don't follow your logic, maybe because I am not an accountant. You say that a "true enthusiast wouldn't drive an Audi", but you concede that one may drive an RS4 although it has four doors???

You lost me

always exceptions to the rule. RS4 is probably one of a handful of Audis that make enthusiast grade, but owners are kidding themselves (as are C63 and M3 drivers for that matter) if they think their cars rank in the Porsche category. I have owned a Porsche and driven most of them (old and new) and nothing out there comes near them for all round engineering and driving dynamics. Having driven most of the modern day Audis and BMWs and Mercs, Audis rank far below BMWs for sheer driving pleasure (excuse the jingle) and lack the engineering solidarity of Mercedes. They are really dressed up VWs.

See -Accountants do know how to make rational choices

[brimway]

See -Accountants do know how to make rational choices

I would hope so Bernie, my future depends on it

[Finance_Analyst]

I would hope so Bernie, my future depends on it

I am worried if your accountant is the same one who worked for Lehman Brothers.

[SilvrFoxX]

See -Accountants do know how to make rational choices

I would suggest that is the nub of the issue, enthusiast are not rational, they are aware that all the different brands have strengths and weaknesses and appreciate those they are enthused by.. the Accountant however wants and needs to rationalise their decision, ergo you are not right nor wrong just self assuring

[Finance_Analyst]

I would suggest that is the nub of the issue, enthusiast are not rational, they are aware that all the different brands have strengths and weaknesses and appreciate those they are enthused by.. the Accountant however wants and needs to rationalise their decision, ergo you are not right nor wrong just self assuring

Perhaps. I think there are more VW than Audi enthusiasts out there - look at the following of Beetle, Kombi, GTI, R etc round the world Vs Audi models. And the more intellgent ones amongst us either realise that Audi's are VWs with a nicer party dress and don't fork out the difference to buy one new, or buy Audis used at VW prices and enjoy a fine car at a bargain price. The evidence on this thread thus far validates this hypothesis and the used car market presents the findings. And surely you don't need to be a chartered accountant to have worked that one out!

[SilvrFoxX]

Still with the numbers

[brimway]

I'm taking bets on who is going to have the last word - SF or FA

[Finance_Analyst]

Still with the numbers

Given that this isn't an Audi forum so I will risk it, why did you (and Brimway for that matter) choose a VW over an Audi? Sounds like you both have an affection for the product, yet chose something else. I have nothing against Audi, but the price simply means that for the money brand new, BMW/Mercedes offer a better product (IMO and most car magazines around the world) and much higher resale values (used car market has clearly spoken on that one, which no one can deny based on the far reaching evidence across the range), while VW offer better value for essentially the same product. I think every VW owner here would agree, or else they would have bought an Audi, or at least, buy a USED Audi for a NEW VW price. Which was my rhetoric all along.

[Ideo]

A true enthusiast doesn't drive a golf either.

It is a compromise. Jack of all trades. Master of none.

[brimway]

Given that this isn't an Audi forum so I will risk it, why did you (and Brimway for that matter) choose a VW over an Audi? Sounds like you both have an affection for the product, yet chose something else. I have nothing against Audi, but the price simply means that for the money brand new, BMW/Mercedes offer a better product (IMO and most car magazines around the world) and much higher resale values (used car market has clearly spoken on that one, which no one can deny based on the far reaching evidence across the range), while VW offer better value for essentially the same product. I think every VW owner here would agree, or else they would have bought an Audi, or at least, buy a USED Audi for a NEW VW price. Which was my rhetoric all along.

Simple answer ..... value for money.

[Candyman]

If I had more money it would have been an Audi for me.

So, Brimway is on the money, pardon the pun.

BMW have terrible paint quality, are ugly in almost every model and no AWD to speak of plus they scream "look at me". No decent looking hatch

Merc, well, looks suck, no decent looking AWD hatch. If the new hatch from AMG looked better and came in at the right price I'd go for it but optioned up, as usual with Merc, it will be stupidly pricey

As for APR, would never consider it for a tune for many reasons.

[Njay]

Why do you want awd? For everyday driving and mild performance gains rwd is perfectly fine if not more enjoyable

[JedR32]

Why do you want awd? For everyday driving and mild performance gains rwd is perfectly fine if not more enjoyable

For me (I'm also an AWD fan) AWD is a great active safety feature as well as a performance feature. It's a grip and go no fuss system. RWD is fun don't get me wrong BUT it will never be as quick unless in the hands of a racing driver, from what I've seen.

Plus AWD can powerslide as well if that's why you want a RWD haha

[Finance_Analyst]

If I had more money it would have been an Audi for me.

So, Brimway is on the money, pardon the pun.

BMW have terrible paint quality, are ugly in almost every model and no AWD to speak of plus they scream "look at me". No decent looking hatch

Merc, well, looks suck, no decent looking AWD hatch. If the new hatch from AMG looked better and came in at the right price I'd go for it but optioned up, as usual with Merc, it will be stupidly pricey

As for APR, would never consider it for a tune for many reasons.

AWD hatches are not the be all and end all of the motoring world you know.... Otherwise, BMW and Merc have Audi licked in every other department - small sporty sedans, convertibles, SUVs, medium and large luxo sedans, sports cars etc.

And Audi's do scream look at me in a way that BMWs do. Which is why people pay a premium new for it - a BMW price.

[brimway]

Why do you want awd? For everyday driving and mild performance gains rwd is perfectly fine if not more enjoyable

I used to think that, but to quote you, "for everyday driving" imo awd is perfect!