Mk6 Golf Acceleration & Performance Data

[REXman]

And my standard R did a 5.57 in those trying difficult conditions.. So maybe my stock R is good for 0-100 in 5 flat.. 5.1 even. Going by you guys that sounds legit.

Honestly I have given up with the people who obviously don't know enough about dragging to provide good honest reliable info.

Like Robby_JAI said, that owns a fully worked S3 that does 4.7 or something thereabouts... Your not going to be faster than that with a STG 1 tune on an R. Think otherwise? Cool. You just don't know then what your talking about.

And it's not just APR or the APR tune. The performance gains just aren't realistic.. And if you can't take my advice when ive been dragging and owned modded cars for over 12 years.. Take someone who had a car entered into a motor magazine tune special.

Or take the word of the person promoting it?

[chylld]

ahh we didn't know it was in "trying conditions" next time, do it with 1 (one, as in not two) person in the car, in good conditions, in both directions. i think that will help your friend get his time down to the 4.89 average that corey achieved. which is only 0.16s off the 4.73 achieved by someone else.

are you turning the AC off before your run?

[Corey_R]

Robby_JAI's car did a 4.58 at the Motor Hot Tuner challenge, and you're right, no one with a Stage I tune only is going to be quicker than his car and no one has claimed to be.

I also didn't say that stock R couldn't do better than the 5.57 you did (though I thought it was 5.6x as there was 0.4 seconds between them) if it were also on a nicer surface - all I'm reporting is the numbers that the Stage 1 did using the same measuring equipment on the same tank of fuel on a smooth ashpalt private road the previous night with air temps of 0.5 to 1 degree difference.


As for the "it's not just APR" comments. You're right man. It's not just APR. If there are doubts about their numbers, then there should also be doubts about the other tuners that claim similiar or higher. Except the other guys haven't been questioning those other companies numbers because they're already using those tunes

Anyway - as I said, and as I just noticed that chylld said whilst I was typing up my previous reply, it'll probably be easier to all just go down to WSID and run there.


Edit... lol, chylld posts again whilst I'm typing!

[VW Central]

For what it's worth I managed to get hold of a vbox last week and in my GTI Pirelli I got a 5.1 0-100. Sure having AWD will help with traction, but the power my car is making is a lot more then the Stg 2+ Golf R's and the extra weight. I am only interested in hearing about 0-100 times tested with the vbox, that is the industry standard and that is what Motor magazine use. No point using inaccurate devices because everyone will just dismiss your results.

[REXman]

ahh we didn't know it was in "trying conditions" next time, do it with 1 (one, as in not two) person in the car, in good conditions, in both directions. i think that will help your friend get his time down to the 4.89 average that corey achieved. which is only 0.16s off the 4.73 achieved by someone else.

are you turning the AC off before your run?

Yeah air con is off. I was being sarcastic about " trying conditions". Other than 2 people, it was fine. Only perfect Tarmac could be better. And there was no bend Corey, we only hit the bend with about 80 meters to go in the quarter mile!! And it was slow slight bend it's no u turn! That didn't exist at all on the way back.

Corey is the person I did it with.. I like it how he doesn't question his 5.24/7 that we got and conveniently forgets/confuses himself over my 5.57. Corey ran a 5.61 in mine. I ran the 5.57 if we are being exact. I dont forget these things. And With 2 people in the car!!

Or that's what the device said.

Maybe, if It was cold, and I had one person only and the road was perfect.. I could nail a 5 flat? I mean it's only 0.5 secs with all that stuff... Right?

But Corey is right, I wanna see other tunes at the quarter before we talk smack.

But the APR tune does not back its claims of 50 KW and really should change that to reflect what I have read from Dave and felt in Coreys car.

[Corey_R]

For what it's worth I managed to get hold of a vbox last week and in my GTI Pirelli I got a 5.1 0-100. Sure having AWD will help with traction, but the power my car is making is a lot more then the Stg 2+ Golf R's and the extra weight. I am only interested in hearing about 0-100 times tested with the vbox, that is the industry standard and that is what Motor magazine use. No point using inaccurate devices because everyone will just dismiss your results.

DeanCorp, whilst we'd all LOVE to have a Racelogic Vbox, you'll need to lower your standards a bit mate. The cheapest one is $600, and they go up from there.

Additionally, Racelogic published a report here to show the Racelogic VBox vs the Racelogic Performance Box (THEIR OWN cheaper alternative using GPS) vs the old GTech (not GPS). As you can see from the report, their own GPS device was within 0.01 for most tests. The GTech was up to a few 10ths slower than it should be (i.e. reporting WORSE times than the car actually got as tested with the VBox). Racelogic also determined that with a 1ft rollout, the GTech was actually within a few hundreths of being accurate. So much so that Racelogic even recommended the GTech and suggested that the use of accelerometers was something to pursue.

The new GTech devices are GPS in combination with accelerometers, and thus should be as accurate if not more accurate than the Racelogic Performance Box.

So if the makers of the VBox (Racelogic) can commission a study and recommend the GTech, than surely you can accept people using those results - especially for comparative analysis.

[REXman]

Corey are you suggesting that my car could have run a quicker than the 5.57 due to the device being off?

Now factor in the addition of lower temps, less weight with one person and a perfect road and allowing for a slower read out.. I'm calling my car as 4.8 stock.

[Corey_R]

Corey are you suggesting that my car could have run a quicker than the 5.57 due to the device being off?

No REXman I'm not.
I've got the current GTech GPS timer. As Racelogic have shown with their own GPS timer, they're accurate within hundreths. Fab_R's can be a few tenths off depending on how it is tested.

As I've mentioned before REXman, I'm not interested in theoreticals. You did what you did, I did what I did. You can't claim that you were able to achieve what you did but I was not able to achieve what I did, as it was using the same equipment... So make up your mind - did you do a 5.57 or was that not valid because there was no possible way I achieved a 4.82?

[zbeasty]

Save the date

Ok here are the dates for WSID for the next couple of months. Lets see what date suits best and sort this out. I'll bring my standard 5 door DSG R. Would be good to compare the drag timing with the Gtech.

Feb 16 Race for Real Wednesday!
Feb 23 Race for Real Wednesday!
Mar 02 Race for Real Wednesday!
Mar 09 Race for Real Wednesday!
Mar 16 Race for Real Wednesday!
Mar 23 Race for Real Wednesday!
Mar 30 Race for Real Wednesday!
Apr 06 Race for Real Wednesday!
Apr 13 Race for Real Wednesday!
Apr 20 Race for Real Wednesday!
Apr 27 Race for Real Wednesday!

[Corey_R]

Heh... this Wednesday night hey... that'd be the last chance I'd have to run in Stage I...

[weewilly]

Heh... this Wednesday night hey... that'd be the last chance I'd have to run in Stage I...

your parts arrive, have they? as I remember- Intercooler, intake, full exhaust...

[Corey_R]

Yes they have..... intercooler, fuel pump, and divorced downpipe & cat. I would like to leave the cat-back stock, and I'll get the intake a little later...

[weewilly]

Yes they have..... intercooler, fuel pump, and divorced downpipe & cat. I would like to leave the cat-back stock, and I'll get the intake a little later...

hope this isn't off topic... how long will they need your R to carry out? with the downpipe, exhaust half remains stock?

[Fab_R]

Yes they have..... intercooler, fuel pump, and divorced downpipe & cat. I would like to leave the cat-back stock, and I'll get the intake a little later...

Excellent mate!!!!

[Corey_R]

hope this isn't off topic... how long will they need your R to carry out? with the downpipe, exhaust half remains stock?

The intercooler basically means they need to take the front of your car off (Bumper, lights, grills, radiators etc - see Halojump's Stage 2+ thread for photos). So I'll need to drop it off first thing in the morning, and pick it back up that evening.

Yeah, the downpipe replaces the pipe from the turbo, and the pipe with the catalytic converter in it. The middle pipe (with the resonator) and the rear pipe with the rear muffler remain stock.