The Official Mk6 Golf DSG Clutch / Shudder / Squeal Issues Thread

[kinhung]

sounds like the clutch changed cannot solve the problem. just like a roll of toilet paper, after you used it for a while, it will be used up and need to be changed.
And wasting time to change.

Anyone got problem with clutch shudder, and cause the car cannot startup?

[jamesdavid]

KinHung,

Are you asking whether clutch slipping can cause a car not to start? As i can tell you the answer is no. If you understand the ottoman cycle you will realise that for an engine to fire you only need air,fuel and spark. If those conditions are met the car will start regardless.

[prise]

after fitting a new motor for good measure.

New motor! Did yours destroy its piston(s) like a number of other 118TSI's have?

[kaktusdigital]

as cktsi pointed out what I described in another thread is being the 'shudder' I wanted to see if the new mechatronics + clutch pack installed is a permanent fix? because it seems (from the replies) that the DQ200 flash is the only thing that's a real fix.

[gavs]

Clutch replacement in the DQ200 will fix the shudder. The DSG tune software alters the behavior of the gearbox though i do not know enough about it to say if it would be an issue if you tried to claim warranty on a defective mechatronics unit....

[Ryan_R]

You need to replace parts but chances are they'll develop a shudder again later on, I didn't want to take that chance and got the DSG tune

[kaktusdigital]

now to convince they guys @ the dealership to replace the whole shebang before getting the dsg tune.
I also came across this clip on youtube. The sound you hear at 7secs is actually what I'm hearing/feeling - i assume this is same as everyone Passat Variant 1.4 TSI DSG MY09 Clutch Problem - YouTube

You need to replace parts but chances are they'll develop a shudder again later on, I didn't want to take that chance and got the DSG tune

[cktsi]

now to convince they guys @ the dealership to replace the whole shebang before getting the dsg tune.
I also came across this clip on youtube. The sound you hear at 7secs is actually what I'm hearing/feeling - i assume this is same as everyone Passat Variant 1.4 TSI DSG MY09 Clutch Problem - YouTube

Wow... that video is particularly bad IF all the noises being made are in relation to the DSG (and, say, not the camera's chassis tapping).

I have driven some loan comfortline golfs that do shudder in D2 slightly. If yours is a slight shudder, it may be that it's not too late to just use the DQ200 to fix the issue.

It is preferable to have the clutch plates replaced so you know that you are starting from a clean sheet... but could be hard to argue with the service centre. Their default is to deny there is anything wrong with your car & you have to fight really hard to prove that it is due to the shudder & not the normal operation of the car.

There is only 1 instance in this thread of a VW dealer pro-actively diagnosing this, but unfortunately for you they are in Sydney. I don't know of any Victorian dealers that are relatively easy to deal with this issue.

The only way I could get my clutches replaced the 2nd time was to argue that my warranty only had 3 weeks remaining, and that they would be leaving me high & dry if failed again after warranty... so they fixed it more out of reluctant pity than real acceptance there was a problem.

I don't think that's a good strategy... it's better to get the DSG tune asap... with or without the plates being replaced.

Your case doesn't sound as bad. My car had (and actually still has) the problem where it will shudder from standstill when transitioning from D1 to D2 on a slight incline or steeper. Most people here only have the shudder when creeping forward in D2 & accelerating... which is milder than what I had (still have).

[Ryan_R]

I don't know of any Victorian dealers that are relatively easy to deal with this issue.

Recommend Burwin @ Ferntree Gully. Not 100% pro-active but they're quite easy to deal with and quick to suggest replacement. Only you have to wait ~a month for the parts to arrive once diagnosis is complete.

[kaktusdigital]

Your case doesn't sound as bad. My car had (and actually still has) the problem where it will shudder from standstill when transitioning from D1 to D2 on a slight incline or steeper. Most people here only have the shudder when creeping forward in D2 & accelerating... which is milder than what I had (still have).

Yeah I actually have that too, I think the slight incline shudder is the easiest to reproduce. Turning from a mid slow down (give way sign) is also a good offender. Sorry to hear you still have cases of the shudder, I thought the flash would have resolved things considering you got new pads and all.

Does anyone know how long these pads can last if things continue like this? I imagine there are tons of people out there who probably have minimal shudder and just deal with it.

thanks Ryan_R, Burwin it is then.

[Ryan_R]

Try using VCDS to turn down the HSA setting one notch, since you're noticing jerkiness particularly on inclines:

ESP, XDS, DSR, ASR, Brake Assist, Hill Hold Control Settings Vag-Com - VW GTI MKVI Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVI Forum / VW GTI Forum - Golfmk6.com

[cktsi]

Yeah I actually have that too, I think the slight incline shudder is the easiest to reproduce. Turning from a mid slow down (give way sign) is also a good offender. Sorry to hear you still have cases of the shudder, I thought the flash would have resolved things considering you got new pads and all.

Does anyone know how long these pads can last if things continue like this? I imagine there are tons of people out there who probably have minimal shudder and just deal with it.

thanks Ryan_R, Burwin it is then.

Turning the wheel on full lock while creeping fwd and then Accelerating also replicates it.

I have other suspension issues with the car that have not been fully resolved either, so I am waving the flag. I didn't go for the dsg tune as my 1st gear takeoff is shuddering which reduces my confidence in the drive train. Like I said my issues r real bad.

[gavs]

Golf 7 Speed DSG shudder / clutch issues

cktsi, if after clutch pack replacement you still have the shudder (I'm assuming you have the DQ200 7spd dsg) then most likely it's the mechatronics unit not supplying enough pressure to the actuation piston that controls the k1 clutch which will cause excessive clutch slip and shuddering. With VCDS you can check this however without knowing the exact specs that VAG recommend as normal operation, the data is pretty much pointless.

How good would a 10year, 160,000km warranty be on the dsg......

[Ryan_R]

What's the news with your Polo gavs?

[cktsi]

cktsi, if after clutch pack replacement you still have the shudder (I'm assuming you have the DQ200 7spd dsg) then most likely it's the mechatronics unit not supplying enough pressure to the actuation piston that controls the k1 clutch which will cause excessive clutch slip and shuddering. With VCDS you can check this however without knowing the exact specs that VAG recommend as normal operation, the data is pretty much pointless.

How good would a 10year, 160,000km warranty be on the dsg......

Interesting point. Can't go there as I am out of warranty and they have replaced the mechatronics twice

The k1 clutch take up feels multi stage instead of the one smooth engagement when the car was new. There feels like three stages and the slip happens in the 2nd stage.