Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[Buller_Scott]

It has to make it to two years first

tell anyone on the outside that knows anything about MODERN vw's, that they are "more reliable" than MODERN renaults, and you'll get laughed at.

The Megane and Subaru have more in common - ugly, rubbish interiors. promise much and deliver much less.

the megane promises to be a good drive. every motoring article seems to agree. so do nurburgring lap times, actually, given that it's faster than the BMW 1 series M, lambo diablo sv, lexus isf, ferrari 355gtb etc etc.... no, there are no VW's anywhere on the list......

so what do you feel that you've been promised, that the megane cannot offer? you say that the megane has an ugly, rubbish interior - how? to me, it seemed pretty similar to the gti's/R interior, albeit without all the unnecessary crap that weighs cars down that matter NOUGHT when you're booting it in the hills, such as heated massage seats, leather, sunroof, intergalactic communications array so that you can confer with the klingons whilst driving your car, reverse cameras and dvd player.....

ive been car shopping very recently with a family member - it's GREAT to be enthusiastic about your purchase, and to fly the VW flag proudly... but the FACT is that no, the megane and gti/R interiors really, really dont contrast THAT much.

like i said, i love VW's because of what they offer in a complete package. i've been a VW fan for a while, and i will continue to be.

but let's be objective here.... you cant go along to a megane driver and belittle him for his decision. you might have a better overall package, but it doesnt matter if you're running whatever tune in your car - if the guy in the megane doesnt like your tone, he'll simply put his foot down, hook it in, and lose you at the next corner, showing you just WHY the megane is the fastest FWD that has ever been around the nurburgring. FACT.

[Candyman]

It was a dig at WJ/Ray

Don't take life so seriously

[WhiteJames]

Mazda Raceway - Laguna Seca with Randy.

BMW 1M Coupe appears to be over-rated as a driver's car ... Go to 10.00 min mark in the following MotorTrend.com.au Ignition yutube.com video and Randy tells it like it is:

Picking the 2011 Best Drivers Car - Part 2 - The Downshift Episode 5 - YouTube

Cheers.
WJ

[brad]

... watch out aftermarket performance tuners ... everybody is on the aftermarket accessory boat .... BMW M-Sport range, Volkswagen Driver Gear Accessories, FPV, Walkinshaw, now Toyota TRD and Subaru STI gear.

I think TRD & STI might have been on the boat a fair while now. Just because the Australian arms of the company chose to ignore their money spinning potential hardly makes them new players.

[MACCAA]

[QUOTE=team_v;796464]I was under hte impression that turning off ESP completely will also turn off ABS or so I have read?????


Nope.Full ESP off disables traction control and stability control only.
ABS remains unaffected.
Cheers
Len

[Candyman]

Pull the harness off one of the ABS sensors - car will also disable TC/ESP

Not that I have tried it

Ignore the pretty lights

[andrew7]

I'm not saying VW should limit options, only that they can bundle options together in packages ... Standard, Sports, Luxury and Sports/Luxury. I don't like the thought of waiting another 6 mths for a specifically optioned Golf GTI MK7. Cheers.
WJ

Agreed WJ, seems like common sense to bundle (common sense isnt always common in my experience however , much as they do for the GTI in the US eg. "Autobahn" package (leather and sat nav as I recall) etc. As it is when I replace my MK6 with a MK7 I'll try to time my lead time for new delivery to match the end of the lease (probably easier said than done)!

[Buller_Scott]

It was a dig at WJ/Ray

Don't take life so seriously

hey im easily fooled - i wear it with misguided pride

[Fab_R]

[QUOTE=MACCAA;796498]

I was under hte impression that turning off ESP completely will also turn off ABS or so I have read?????


Nope.Full ESP off disables traction control and stability control only.
ABS remains unaffected.
Cheers
Len

Correct however once the brakes are applied the ESP / TC automatically switches back on.

[Candyman]

Mmmmm, why do the warning lights stay on on my R, even after using the brakes ?

They only go out if I turn the ignition off.

[Candyman]

hey im easily fooled - i wear it with misguided pride

Yes, I've noticed ....

Hopefully the Megane topic gets left out of this thread now along with the Subaru. At least the Subaru appears to bring with it some semblance of longevity

As for a GTI or an R, clearly a GTI owner will justify their purchase over an R but deep down they know it was a compromise. Nothing wrong with that as buying any VW is a compromise, just that the GTI adds another layer to that decision (been there, done that)

[SilvrFoxX]

Yes, I've noticed ....

Hopefully the Megane topic gets left out of this thread now along with the Subaru. At least the Subaru appears to bring with it some semblance of longevity

As for a GTI or an R, clearly a GTI owner will justify their purchase over an R but deep down they know it was a compromise. Nothing wrong with that as buying any VW is a compromise, just that the GTI adds another layer to that decision (been there, done that)

lol.. you must be a joy at parties

[Candyman]

lol.. you must be a joy at parties

Always, especially at Megane club parties

[SilvrFoxX]

Always, especially at Megane club parties

I can see the invites coming in from the GTI lads as well now

[Candyman]

I can see the invites coming in from the GTI lads as well now

I'll be sure to send myself one ....

As least the GTI doesn't have this issue with Haldex shuddering.