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    In terms of reliability: I’m ultra conservative in erring on the side of caution. Imo – anything more than about 15% power hike necessitates upgrading other areas of the motor vehicle such as tyres, wheels, suspension, and brakes. At the end of the day, it’s up to an engineering signatory to qualify what is acceptable and what is not.

    As the goauto.com.au article states - the Golf R is designed to travel at very high speeds not encountered on roadways in Australia. Speeds from 140-240kph on the autobahn require some push understeer dialled into the chassis tune. I’m a big fan of tuning vehicles for speeds between 40kph-140kph to accommodate for local conditions

    It doesn’t matter if you upgrade to Stage I, II or III in motor performance upgrades – with stock suspension tune the driver has to lift off the throttle as the Golf R has a tendency to push wide in corners under power. In other words, if you’re off the power momentarily when exiting a corner, the power upgrade is not fully utilised - regardless of how much the power is increased in the Golf R (unless you’re driving in a straight line – then handling is not so much an issue).

    H&R sway bars a straightforward to fit and shouldn’t be a drama with Dynamic Chassis Control. There may be two types of H&R bar – Xenon and Non-Xenon. The rear takes 20 minutes and the front about 1.5 hours as the under-tray sub-frame has to be removed. About $300 labour for installation. I’ve expounded on the negatives of aftermarket sway bars in earlier posts and strongly encourage anyone looking to upgrade sway bars enrol in the an advanced driver training course to gain an appreciation of a chassis moving from understeer bias to more neutral bias

    Forget about the large size H&R sways bars unless you’re a track-day semi-slick wearing regular or looking to win the Hot Tuner Challenge. Small H&R sway bars are more than enough for a daily driver in terms of handling and ride compliance. Compliance is very important for a street driven motor vehicle that has to deal with both cornering and mid corner bumps on real world roadways.

    The damper/spring combo in the Golf R is great for everyday use in terms of ride compliance/handling mix. Aftermarket sway bars should sort out the understeer issue that fast autobahn driving requires, but local conditions do not require. As a potential buyer of a Golf R – Ray and I would factor in the cost of a set of small H&R solid adjustable sway bars into the cost of the Golf R. The adjustability is great as the front bar can be left on soft and rear hard. If you head to the track, it only takes 20min to change the rear sway bar from hard to soft for the faster speeds of the race track if a greater degree of push understeer is warranted. Not so sure I’d buy the H&R coil overs with past issues of tug’n’release and spring-bind on the Golf MKV/MKVI platforms.

    Cheers
    WJ

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    • Originally posted by WhiteJames View Post
      As a potential buyer of a Golf R – Ray and I
      Hey WJ, interesting write up.
      So you guys are back as potential R owners again, after downgrading it to a 10% rating over the Mk6 Gti & the Polo Gti???

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      • Originally posted by AdamD View Post
        +1. That is a great article, and sums up the two cars quite well. About time a journo managed to balance out the qualities of the two models accurately!
        It would have been better if the journo had got all their facts straight - the front of the R is 15mm higher than the GTI and has 30mm more clearance than the GTI? Really? And the GTI has 245/60R17 tyres???

        I like the unintentional "all-whee-drive GTI" comment - the R is certainly all whee for me!
        MY11 Rising Blue 5dr DSG Golf R

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        • Originally posted by simonm View Post
          It would have been better if the journo had got all their facts straight - the front of the R is 15mm higher than the GTI and has 30mm more clearance than the GTI? Really?
          Don't know the exact figures but perhaps its just in the front bar design? The front of the GTI seems quite low and only just clears wheel stops, similar to my lowered R32 height of the front bar.

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          • Originally posted by WhiteJames View Post
            Agree with the NRMA review: Golf R for the higher speed drives - Golf GTI for everywhere else.

            Here's another review of the Golf R from goauto.com.au:

            2010 Volkswagen Golf R 5-dr hatch | GoAuto - Our Opinion

            This review is of the Renualt Megane Trophee on the track. Saw this vehicle at the motor show in Sydney and was impressed with the level of sporting kit for 50K driveaway:

            2010 Renault Megane RS250 range | GoAuto - Our Opinion

            Cheers
            WJ
            At Broadford, it proved to be fast, with zero to 100 km/h acceleration in as low as 5.2 seconds and a standing 400 metre time in the mid-13s.

            5.2sec wow

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            • Took the R out for a spirited drive yesterday.

              I attempted a run down hawkesbury heights, but my plans were foiled by a slow moving vehicle.
              For those who aren't familiar with the road, here's a link:
              springwood rd, hawkesbury heights - Google Maps

              I have had the R through here 2-3 times already (it's one of my favourites)
              but whilst running the car in, i haven't had a chance to exceed 6/10ths, so i'll comment further another day.
              Fair to say my previous ride was often at 9/10ths on this section, so it's the ultimate proving ground for me.

              Next stop was Galston gorge.
              Satnav took me through pitt town and via the backroads,
              Some of the road surfaces were particularly poor, yet the R retained composure at all times.

              Galston Gorge:
              Another great piece of road, i'm not particularly familiar with it, as it's been 2-3 years since my last visit.
              The beauty of this road, is the vertical rock walls only inches from the car, providing a fantastic reflection of the induction/exhaust sounds.
              Galston Gorge, New South Wales 2077, Australia - Google Maps

              Even though i'm not familiar with this piece of road, the R inspired alot of confidence.
              There are many low-mid speed corners, allowing lots of fun without exceeding the speed limit
              (although some may choose to exceed the limit anyway)

              The turbo lag in the R was evident, but didn't detract from the experience.
              You want to get on the throttle before the apex to ensure you have power on exit, but too early and it will run a little wide.
              no margin for error in this section of road, or you'll be getting to know your panel beaters...
              I did manage to get it right on a few bends, and the outcome was astonishing.
              Incredible grip, and the "sink into the seat" feeling on exit.

              During normal driving and high speed corners the car feels "heavy" and planted
              However when asked to change directions quickly, the chassis feels nimble and responsive.
              The brakes worked well, pulling the car up promptly, and allowing for some late braking
              (however i like particularly sharp brakes, so an upgrade is being considered)

              The noise from the turbo spooling is much louder than i expected,
              it's quite tame during everyday driving, but when there's a cliff for the sound to reflect off, it's hard not to keep your right foot planted.

              As per my sig, this is on 18's with no ACC, as i plan aftermarket coilovers and rims
              However i'm really happy with the performance as-is for now.
              Last edited by Mr_Bob; 08-11-2010, 09:42 AM.
              2010 Golf R - 3dr - Manual - Rising Blue - MDI - SatNav - Milltek TBE

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              • Originally posted by Mr_Bob View Post
                Took the R out for a spirited drive yesterday.

                I attempted a run down hawkesbury heights, but my plans were foiled by a slow moving vehicle.
                For those who aren't familiar with the road, here's a link:
                springwood rd, hawkesbury heights - Google Maps

                I have had the R through here 2-3 times already (it's one of my favourites)
                but whilst running the car in, i haven't had a chance to exceed 6/10ths, so i'll comment further another day.
                Fair to say my previous ride was often at 9/10ths on this section, so it's the ultimate proving ground for me.

                Next stop was Galston gorge.
                Satnav took me through pitt town and via the backroads,
                Some of the road surfaces were particularly poor, yet the R retained composure at all times.

                Galston Gorge:
                Another great piece of road, i'm not particularly familiar with it, as it's been 2-3 years since my last visit.
                The beauty of this road, is the vertical rock walls only inches from the car, providing a fantastic reflection of the induction/exhaust sounds.
                Galston Gorge, New South Wales 2077, Australia - Google Maps

                Even though i'm not familiar with this piece of road, the R inspired alot of confidence.
                There are many low-mid speed corners, allowing lots of fun without exceeding the speed limit
                (although some may choose to exceed the limit anyway)

                The turbo lag in the R was evident, but didn't detract from the experience.
                You want to get on the throttle before the apex to ensure you have power on exit, but too early and it will run a little wide.
                no margin for error in this section of road, or you'll be getting to know your panel beaters...
                I did manage to get it right on a few bends, and the outcome was astonishing.
                Incredible grip, and the "sink into the seat" feeling on exit.

                During normal driving and high speed corners the car feels "heavy" and planted
                However when asked to change directions quickly, the chassis feels nimble and responsive.
                The brakes worked well, pulling the car up promptly, and allowing for some late braking
                (however i like particularly sharp brakes, so an upgrade is being considered)

                The noise from the turbo spooling is much louder than i expected,
                it's quite tame during everyday driving, but when there's a cliff for the sound to reflect off, it's hard not to keep your right foot planted.

                As per my sig, this is on 18's with no ACC, as i plan aftermarket coilovers and rims
                However i'm really happy with the performance as-is for now.
                Hey mate thanks for the writeup. Sounds like you are having a hell of alot of fun already and the car isn't even fully run in yet! Just makes me want my R even more reading stuff like this! Hopefully I will get the VIN this week and its on a boat very shortly!
                THE BEAST: "2015 Lapiz Blue Wolfsburg Golf R wagon"

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                • Yeah loving it,
                  8 days old and I'm at 1000k's now, not bad for a "weekend only" car

                  This was the first drive where i've taken it past 4000rpm,
                  It's a difficult to keep it under as the fun really start to begin at 3000rpm, and 4000rpm comes quite quickly afterwards.

                  I'm still mostly keeping it under 4500rpm, but i did see the tacho hit 5000rpm once or twice
                  2010 Golf R - 3dr - Manual - Rising Blue - MDI - SatNav - Milltek TBE

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                  • Originally posted by Mr_Bob View Post
                    Yeah loving it,
                    8 days old and I'm at 1000k's now, not bad for a "weekend only" car

                    This was the first drive where i've taken it past 4000rpm,
                    It's a difficult to keep it under as the fun really start to begin at 3000rpm, and 4000rpm comes quite quickly afterwards.

                    I'm still mostly keeping it under 4500rpm, but i did see the tacho hit 5000rpm once or twice
                    Hey Mr_Bob, wait til you take the sucker past 4000-5000rpm, you will be laughing like a school girl!!!

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                    • Originally posted by Mr_Bob View Post
                      Took the R out for a spirited drive yesterday.

                      but whilst running the car in, i haven't had a chance to exceed 6/10ths, so i'll comment further another day.
                      .
                      Bob,
                      Just remember what Guy said couple of weeks ago
                      "but certainly don't take it to easy, a motor that is run in pretty hard tends to use less oil over the life of the car.

                      By running in hard - I mean, drive "normal" - but ensure it's fully warmed up before a "fang" and let it cool down for 30 seconds after a fang before key off.

                      Don't treat a Tiger like a Pussy.
                      lol.
                      Golf R MY 11.5 United Gray, 3 door, DSG, ACC, Free MDI, Bluetooth
                      Mods - APR Downpipe, VW Racing AI, HPFP, APR Tune Stage 2+- lovin it!
                      Touareg V8 TDI R-Line, White .Arrived 11 July.

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                      • Originally posted by Big_Dave View Post
                        Don't treat a Tiger like a Pussy.
                        Conversely......
                        GTI MKVI Candy White | 5 door | DSG | ACC | 18" Detroits | Leather | Electric Seat | Sunroof | RNS510 | Dynaudio | Park Assist | RVC | MDI

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                        • Hahaha, definately a Tiger

                          I'm certainly not babying it, frequently using 50-75% throttle, and at times WOT.
                          From what i understand it's load that beds rings in, moreso than outright RPM.

                          Just want to limit the revs a bit (as per the manual) to prevent unecessary damage during run-in.
                          2010 Golf R - 3dr - Manual - Rising Blue - MDI - SatNav - Milltek TBE

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                          • Originally posted by WhiteJames View Post
                            You’re not necessary going faster, but having fun doing so.
                            Carsguide seems to agree:
                            VW Golf GTI DSG: review | carsguide.com.au

                            With respect to chipping the engine, VW detuned the R's engine due to Oz being classified as a hot climate region, wouldn't chipping the ECU without upgrading the mechanicals bring with it some long term reliability issues?
                            MkVI Golf GTI | Candy White | DSG | Leather | Bi-xenon | Sunroof | Dynaudio | Park Assist | MDI | Tint | FINALLY RECEIVED!!

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                            • Originally posted by MkVIGTI View Post
                              With respect to chipping the engine, VW detuned the R's engine due to Oz being classified as a hot climate region, wouldn't chipping the ECU without upgrading the mechanicals bring with it some long term reliability issues?
                              There's a few things to comment on here.

                              Firstly, although VW publically stated that the car had to be detuned in Australia due to heat, was this really the problem, or was it that the Audi S3 is only 188kw / 330NM and having the R exceed that would hurt sales of the S3 even more than it currently is. If heat _is_ the issue, then why did they put the GTI's intercooler on the R rather than the S3's larger intercooler? Due to this, I don't believe heat is the issue. If you do think it's an issue, upgrading to the S3's intercooler or beyond is an option.

                              Next up, with any car, chipping the ECU is increasing the power beyond that of what the manufacturer set it to. Manufacturers set it to a certain level for numerous reasons. So really you could ask your question of any car/ecu upgrade.

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                              • Originally posted by Corey_R View Post
                                There's a few things to comment on here.

                                Firstly, although VW publically stated that the car had to be detuned in Australia due to heat, was this really the problem
                                Especially since the Audi TTS in Australia has the same engine and is tuned to 200kW/350Nm - same as the euro spec R & S3.
                                MY11 Rising Blue 5dr DSG Golf R

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