Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[runningmanz]

Could have got a tiguan with a flash, saved 15-20k and got a bigger boot with the same performance figures and AWD system.

Could have but not what we wanted. Neither myself or the Mrs wanted a bigger car than our current sedan and much prefer the compact sporty feel of the Golf R. We travel light when we go on trips which isn't that often anyway so luggage is not an issue and both our children are under 10 so no need for a large car. The R suits us just fine.

[Sharkie]

Pretty silly statement there. I actually chose our R as the main family car that the wife can drive the kids to school etc in, but also something I can enjoy being a car enthusiast as well. A nice compromise and certainly not a poser car at all.

Could have got a tiguan with a flash, saved 15-20k and got a bigger boot with the same performance figures and AWD system.

Exactly .... as a family car a Tiguan is a far better car than any Golf including a R and a lot cheaper with the same real world performance.... Paying more for something does not make it any better .... other factors come into play ....

And it is good that everybody is different .... its the whole reason the car industry exists .... otherwise we'd all be driving exactly the same cars.

What gets to me is the comments that one's choices bring out as ignoramusses who know very little actually try to justify their decisions.....

[Transporter]

Guys, please tell me that not all 68 pages are like these last 2 or 3 I've read.

[Big_Dave]

Where does $15k come in?
I thought a 147 tsi Tig retails for 42,890?
That makes a $7,000 diff, then you add the reflash adds another grand?
$6,000 difference for a car that doesnt handle anything like a R.

Admit it, they are built for completely different purposes and needs.

[Corey_R]

Guys, please tell me that not all 68 pages are like these last 2 or 3 I've read.

Yep, that's basically what this thread is like... but the personal insults only come out for some reason when people start up this stuff about Tiguans


This thread is bad enough when it's a bunch of GTI owners trying to convince the world that the GTI is better than the R (as opposed to the few such as AdamD who only state that it's better for them), but then when you add the soft roader crowd into the mix, it's just out of hand

[Corey_R]

Where does $15k come in?
I thought a 147 tsi Tig retails for 42,890?
That makes a $7,000 diff, then you add the reflash adds another grand?
$6,000 difference for a car that doesnt handle anything like a R.

Admit it, they are built for completely different purposes and needs.

They don't get the 147TSI, they get the 125TSI. The engines are mechanically identical, with only the ECU being different. So the same ECU which goes onto the Golf GTI to take it from 155 to 188kw, goes onto both the 147TSI and 125TSI Tiguans to take them both toe 188kw.

[team_v]

Where does $15k come in?
I thought a 147 tsi Tig retails for 42,890?
That makes a $7,000 diff, then you add the reflash adds another grand?
$6,000 difference for a car that doesnt handle anything like a R.

Admit it, they are built for completely different purposes and needs.

Base model 125TSI was 33,900 Drive away in June.
Add on 2k for the ecu remap and you have a 36k AWD hatch/softroader. (would be less as the EOFYS sale was on for APR)
189kw and 402NM of torque with the same AWD system as the Golf R yet you save a lot of cash.

[dave_r]

Current direct injection Cayman S PDK now has that down to 8:06 as well ....

Yeah great execpt it's driveaway price for my post code is $167,419.17.

Yep, that's basically what this thread is like... but the personal insults only come out for some reason when people start up this stuff about Tiguans

Happens in every thread where the same couple people try to tell everyone they're crazy for paying more for the "same thing". But Big_Dave summed it up well IMO, hence why this thread isn't titled Tiguan vs R vs GTI....

Admit it, they are built for completely different purposes and needs.

[team_v]

Happens in every thread where the same couple people try to tell everyone they're crazy for paying more for the "same thing". But Big_Dave summed it up well IMO, hence why this thread isn't titled Tiguan vs R vs GTI....

I think you'll find the only purpose for an automobile is to transport a person or persons from point A to point B.


The claimed "purposes" are more uses or abilities.

[Big_Dave]

V,
Now your just being pedantic.lol.

[Big_Dave]

Heh, what a joke Redbook is they have a second hand 2010 R pricing at $42k - $46K
and a 2010 R32 priced at $46K - $50K,
Just goes to show their prices are not based on Market value but on depreciable percentage of new price.

[Converted]

I think that just did it for the R owners here.

[Sharkie]

You have to take into consideration that I was the very 1st person in Australia to order a Golf R ... 14 Feb 2009 in fact .....

I did so because I was after the ultimate VW available .... so the GTI was not even in the picture .... the Tiguan was always meant to be the family car and the R the toy to be enjoyed.

So when Austral VW messed my order up and did not deliver me the car I asked for I was lucky/unlucky enough to testdrive a R pre-launch and allowed to pick any of the 5 they did in fact get for the launch .... back to back with a Stage 2 Tiguan with suspension work that made more than 200kw .... and was bitterly dissapointed with the R. It was too mild for what I was after .... in fact no better from my perspective than the Tiguan. And you guys can make all the noises you want, untill you have actually driven a Stg 2 Tiguan with the works back to back with a R you just have no idea of the comparison.

So I re-evaluated what I was after and after some persuasion from my wife decided to change both the cars over time, with an even more family suited VW Van and an even better toy being a Porsche.

So as far as this thread goes, the GTI was not even on my radar and while the R was, it just did not meet up to my expectations.

[mfl]

.... in fact no better from my perspective than the Tiguan. And you guys can make all the noises you want, untill you have actually driven a Stg 2 Tiguan with the works back to back with a R you just have no idea of the comparison.

Sharkie, I can understand the point you are making but a Tiguan and a GTI/R are different cars even if in a straight line the performance is the same (or better depending on mods). A Tiguan, wasn't ever on my radar, because I didn't want a SUV in any form.

If we ignore the $$$ a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S can accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds and its top speed is 280 km/h, which makes this 4wd faster than many, many sports cars or sedans, but unless you want a SUV, it doesn't matter.

[Transporter]

Sharkie, I can understand the point you are making but a Tiguan and a GTI/R are different cars even if in a straight line the performance is the same (or better depending on mods). A Tiguan, wasn't ever on my radar, because I didn't want a SUV in any form.

If we ignore the $$$ a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S can accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds and its top speed is 280 km/h, which makes this 4wd faster than many, many sports cars or sedans, but unless you want a SUV, it doesn't matter.

That's very well said.

I for example see the sports car as impractical for everyday driving in the city and could only have it as a second car for Sunday drive.
And Sharkie give up, everybody appreciate something else, you know it too, because you indirectly said that.

Plus we're all off topic!

So, Tiguans crew, let them discuss the difference between GTI and R in peace.