Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[WhiteJames]

GTI -v- R

Bob is scratching his head as to why his manual Golf R can't pull away from that pesky DSG Golf GTI. Well Bob, minus 140kg and an EA888 motor will do that for you.

At what point is it prudent to forsake the GTI for the Golf R. Well tuning for extra power is one benefit. Stock for stock, as the video shows, the GTI may be the more prudent choice.

2012 Volkswagen Golf R versus Golf GTI Nose to Tush Drag Race - YouTube

It does raise a pertinent question in respect to my wish list for the GTI:

1. 15-20% stiffer springs with matched dampers - KW DCC coilovers = $4000.
2. Mechanical LSD - $3500.
3. Bigger Brembo brakes - $4000.
4. Recaro seats - $5000.

Total: $16500 of enhancements .... or ... Buy the Renault Megane RS250 with all this installed from the factory with warranty for less than 50K and save yourself the drama.

Aside from that, the Golf GTI Edition 35 is for those that want a FWD Golf R.

Cheers.
WJ

[hooba]

Bob is scratching his head as to why his manual Golf R can't pull away from that pesky DSG Golf GTI. Well Bob, minus 140kg and an EA888 motor will do that for you.

At what point is it prudent to forsake the GTI for the Golf R. Well tuning for extra power is one benefit. Stock for stock, as the video shows, the GTI may be the more prudent choice.

2012 Volkswagen Golf R versus Golf GTI Nose to Tush Drag Race - YouTube

It does raise a pertinent question in respect to my wish list for the GTI:

1. 15-20% stiffer springs with matched dampers - KW DCC coilovers = $4000.
2. Mechanical LSD - $3500.
3. Bigger Brembo brakes - $4000.
4. Recaro seats - $5000.

Total: $16500 of enhancements .... or ... Buy the Renault Megane RS250 with all this installed from the factory with warranty for less than 50K and save yourself the drama.

Aside from that, the Golf GTI Edition 35 is for those that want a FWD Golf R.

Cheers.
WJ

[SilvrFoxX]

Goddamn that is funny

[wooduck]

Bob is scratching his head as to why his manual Golf R can't pull away from that pesky DSG Golf GTI. Well Bob, minus 140kg and an EA888 motor will do that for you.

At what point is it prudent to forsake the GTI for the Golf R. Well tuning for extra power is one benefit. Stock for stock, as the video shows, the GTI may be the more prudent choice.

2012 Volkswagen Golf R versus Golf GTI Nose to Tush Drag Race - YouTube

It does raise a pertinent question in respect to my wish list for the GTI:

1. 15-20% stiffer springs with matched dampers - KW DCC coilovers = $4000.
2. Mechanical LSD - $3500.
3. Bigger Brembo brakes - $4000.
4. Recaro seats - $5000.

Total: $16500 of enhancements .... or ... Buy the Renault Megane RS250 with all this installed from the factory with warranty for less than 50K and save yourself the drama.

Aside from that, the Golf GTI Edition 35 is for those that want a FWD Golf R.

Cheers.
WJ

WJ, Sammy was able to perform these enhancements on my GTI for less than half of the price you have listed... heck, for that price he's even got a k04.

Bilstein PSS10 $2000 ($300 install)
Wavetrac LSD $1000 ($1200 install)
RacingBrake BBK $1450 (group buy)
OEM seats, they are more than supportive enough, for race days i'll throw in a $1000 Recaro fixed back bucket.

Thats $6950, then throw in $5000 for the K04... thats $12,000 in mods for a GTI that will hand even a stage 2 R its backside...

[Ideo]

WJ, Sammy was able to perform these enhancements on my GTI for less than half of the price you have listed... heck, for that price he's even got a k04.

Bilstein PSS10 $2000 ($300 install)
Wavetrac LSD $1000 ($1200 install)
RacingBrake BBK $1450 (group buy)
OEM seats, they are more than supportive enough, for race days i'll throw in a $1000 Recaro fixed back bucket.

Thats $6950, then throw in $5000 for the K04... thats $12,000 in mods for a GTI that will hand even a stage 2 R its backside...

It's whitejames. facts don't matter

He will bring up a friend, possibly called Jonathon, who is looking at an R but as a result of those modifications and test driving has decided to get a Commodore Sportswagon.

This, will of course, last for 4 months and at least 47 posts involving at least 12 visits to a dealer and once cancelled order, in which the dealer will be allowed to keep the deposit.

[WhiteJames]

Is the Golf GTI a good drivers car?

Is the Golf GTI a good drivers car? No. Well not according to Car & Driver Magazine (car&driver.com) Best Drivers Car Under 40,000 USD:

Ultimately, though, the VW’s body control, transient behavior, and understeer-heavy balance are also subpar.

Best-Handling Car For Less Than $40,000: 370Z vs. Evo, Mustang GT, GTI, Miata, Mini JCW - Feature - Car and Driver

2012 Volkswagen GTI - Feature - Car and Driver

Cheers.
WJ

[Corey_R]

The USA are still running different handling packages for their cars though right?
If so, the article is not really relevant, except for our few USA members.

[SilvrFoxX]

Is the Golf GTI a good drivers car? No. Well not according to Car & Driver Magazine (car&driver.com) Best Drivers Car Under 40,000 USD:

Best-Handling Car For Less Than $40,000: 370Z vs. Evo, Mustang GT, GTI, Miata, Mini JCW - Feature - Car and Driver

2012 Volkswagen GTI - Feature - Car and Driver

Cheers.
WJ

Are you ok WJ, I mean after reading something like that you just never know how you might react

[Mariani]

Interesting. I wonder if ACC (sport) mode would make a difference to the review.

[chylld]

just test drove the GTI and R back to back. what a difference! i went in expecting to like the GTI but wow what a drone... just cruising along normally in D, the GTI made an unbearable exhaust note hum that never faded into the background. it was also very skittish over bumps and had a general thin feeling in places. the R on the other hand had no drone, much less noise, and was much more stable on some challenging twists and turns. the GTI was more responsive, but the refinement of the R (and the exhaust note!) won me over quite convincingly.

now to go to the the official "i have ordered" thread to make a post...

[dyljoy]

do it~bro~haha

[WhiteJames]

FWD -v- AWD

In respect to the best under 40K Car & Driver Magazine article, I think DCC in Sport would help any understeer issues with the GTI. Quality aftermarket suspension and suspension tuning would further improve the GTI if you're willing to compromise some ride comfort. Otherwise, the GTI does steer from the front as the article states as most of the weight is at the front end - not a lot of room for lift over oversteer in the GTI. It's rather a case of the XDS electronic diff dragging the car into the corner. Here's a video review of the new Sirocco R at the Stevio Pass in Italy:

Video - Tackling the Stelvio Pass in a Scirocco R - The Sydney Morning Herald

I'm a bit bullish on this little number arriving in 2013:

Honda Civic Type R is back | News | Auto Express

This Honda appears to be like a five door Megane RS250, only with better resale value, greater no. of service centres, proven reputation and reliability, shorter & swifter gearchange, improved fuel consumption and probably less squeaks than the current crop of Volkswagen hatchbacks.

Cheers.
WJ

[chylld]

WJ i read your comparos before doing my back-to-back test drives, i have to say i agree with pretty much all your points. the gti felt dartier and lighter.

i just don't know if i would have been able to tolerate the drone and road noise though - at the same time it was hard to believe that the R was that much better insulated in all aspects of NVH. drove them on exactly the same roads, although i was going a fair bit faster in the R hehehe.

both great cars, standard R was the better drive for me and my style on the day. added ACC to my order for that little extra leeway

[SilvrFoxX]

WJ i read your comparos before doing my back-to-back test drives, i have to say i agree with pretty much all your points. the gti felt dartier and lighter.

i just don't know if i would have been able to tolerate the drone and road noise though - at the same time it was hard to believe that the R was that much better insulated in all aspects of NVH. drove them on exactly the same roads, although i was going a fair bit faster in the R hehehe.

both great cars, standard R was the better drive for me and my style on the day. added ACC to my order for that little extra leeway

Mate, this conversation ha been had countless time and always ends up in the same place.. If you like the ride and feel of the GTI and believe that BFB is what makes your boat float then you are on a winner.

If however you like the ride and feel of the R and like the idea of sitting on top of the Golf food chain and like to hear all the comparisons then you made the right choice.. otherwise there is a great cartoon with a horse and a stick which sums it all up

[chylld]

Mate, this conversation ha been had countless time and always ends up in the same place.. If you like the ride and feel of the GTI and believe that BFB is what makes your boat float then you are on a winner.

If however you like the ride and feel of the R and like the idea of sitting on top of the Golf food chain and like to hear all the comparisons then you made the right choice.. otherwise there is a great cartoon with a horse and a stick which sums it all up

i figured the whole point of this thread was to beat a dead horse? obviously it will never go anywhere which is why all the useless comments are collected here. the only useful comments are reports of real-world back-to-back test drives which future readers (who aren't aware the horse is dead 230 pages over) can possibly make some use of.

one question though: your sig says my11.5 - what determines the .5? my contract says build date 1/4/2011 so does that mean i'm my11.0? make is "VOLKSWAGEN 5K1RX7/11" if that means anything...