Pirelli engine vs MK6 engine

[kryten2001]

A tuned k03 is nice for zipping in and out of traffic but thats about it. Id take a k04 powered car over a k03 any day.
The power delivery is much nicer and they dont run out of puff so early.

Also agree with the sentiments in regards to mkv gti values. If you own a standard 5 door mkv with DSG then dont be surprised when value plummets. Its all supply vs demand vs perceived reliabilty. There will be squillions for sale in the above spec because they sold squillions of them.

yeah be a great buy for somebody wanting to get into one. Until you start modding it anyway, then watch the bucks fly out the door!

[kryten2001]

meh I just ment less lag, but yes the extra lag would probably be worth it for more powahh!!



I've driven mk5 DSG GTI, mk6 man GTI, not a pirelli yet but should as there is one at the dealers still.

You'll change your mind when you drive a K04 car. Then you'll change it again when you drive a heavily modded one!

Don't get me wrong, K03's are great if you want a decent amount of power in a car that's relatively mild. A tuned K04 is quite brutal though. Not the most powerful car I've ever driven (I've driven a 500KW supercharged HDT car), but it makes up for it in low enertia/weight.

The K03 is much more tame. Still has good power, but it doesn't snap your head off when you're giving it full tilt.

The difference in spool (maybe 500rpm) is MORE than offset with the huge increase in power. Put any K03 driver into a K04 (especially a tuned one) and see what they reckon after they've given it a bootful.

[kryten2001]

I've driven mk5 DSG GTI, mk6 man GTI

Both gutless

[G-rig]

Re: Pirelli engine vs MK6 engine

K04 sounds a bit more fun when you put it like that. Do you think a test drive of a pirelli would be similar enough to what the golf R power delivery would be like?

[kryten2001]

K04 sounds a bit more fun when you put it like that. Do you think a test drive of a pirelli would be similar enough to what the golf R power delivery would be like?

Who knows.... The AWD would make a difference off the line for sure, but how that delivers after the initial takeoff is unknown.

The disadvantages of the FWD are soon lost after takeoff (at least until you hit the first corner!). The AWD is obviously faster off the line.

I'd say it would be a pretty tough call, but I do suspect the AWD would have it over the pirelli KW for KW so long as the weight is similar in both cars (which I doubt it will be). Weight is a very big factor, have no doubs about it.

My bet is they will be quite different beasts to drive. Power is power, but what makes up the bulk of a cars character is it's handling charactaristics.

[Sharkie]

Too much discussion on the power delivery of these 2 engines and nothing on the other substantial differences .....

The Pirelli has an old design of the 2.0T. The MK6 GTI (&Tiguan&Skoda RS) all have the latest version with many enhancements to it. Many changes have been made to make them more reliable and give them a longer life. The old engines do have some issues .....

Don't dish the new generation just because they make less power, rather focus on how much more advanced and better the new engine is in the long run.

and BTW the new generation engines cannot take a K04 as a straight swap and I'm pretty sure does not use a K03 anymore either.

EDIT:

I'd buy a MK6 GTI over a Pirelli anyday ... but then I'd buy a Tiguan over a MK6 GTI anyday as the advantages of AWD is just HUGE .... happy to demonstrate to a monster Pirelli what a Tiguan's taillights look like ...

[M4RK0]

as said above. The Pirelli is basically an S3 without AWD They'll be a bloody bargain second hand in a couple of months too!

Hey Man,

But is not that engine on the new R? the one that will be replacing the R32?

Cheers!

[kryten2001]

happy to demonstrate to a monster Pirelli what a Tiguan's taillights look like ...

haha, whatever.

[guest12345]

Too much discussion on the power delivery of these 2 engines and nothing on the other substantial differences .....

The Pirelli has an old design of the 2.0T. The MK6 GTI (&Tiguan&Skoda RS) all have the latest version with many enhancements to it. Many changes have been made to make them more reliable and give them a longer life. The old engines do have some issues .....

Don't dish the new generation just because they make less power, rather focus on how much more advanced and better the new engine is in the long run.

and BTW the new generation engines cannot take a K04 as a straight swap and I'm pretty sure does not use a K03 anymore either.

EDIT:

I'd buy a MK6 GTI over a Pirelli anyday ... but then I'd buy a Tiguan over a MK6 GTI anyday as the advantages of AWD is just HUGE .... happy to demonstrate to a monster Pirelli what a Tiguan's taillights look like ...

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

If you test drive both the mk6 n mk5 side by side, the difference is minimal, rather no existent, apart from the modification to the interior, the car is basically the same. mk5 pirelli compared to an mk5 or mk6 makes a huge difference in terms of performance.

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

[team_v]

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

If you test drive both the mk6 n mk5 side by side, the difference is minimal, rather no existent, apart from the modification to the interior, the car is basically the same. mk5 pirelli compared to an mk5 or mk6 makes a huge difference in terms of performance.

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

The tiguan 125TSI ends up cheaper drive away than the GTI even after you add on APR stage 1 = 190kw.
So you have a 190kw AWD + cash vs 150kw FWD.
Sure the tiguan may be 250kg heavier (due to AWD system most likely) however you can spend the cash on suspension and good tyres and blitz the GTI even more by the time you reach parity with what you would have payed drive away for a stock GTI.

That is why i have gone the tiguan.
Also the extra space is a plus.

[Sharkie]

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

Ummm ... no they are actually totally different engines .... do a bit of research on that .....

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

Actually no .... again .... all that power in FWD mean no traction .... classic example where the Stg3 GTI in the Motor Tuner Test could not even crack 6s 0-100km/h .....

And , yes, once underway, the extra power of a modified Pirelli would help .... but even then at points trough the rev range traction is a problem. Not so in an AWD ..... which is why I have a Golf R on order ....

[Tim]

The Pirelli has an old design of the 2.0T. The MK6 GTI (&Tiguan&Skoda RS) all have the latest version with many enhancements to it. Many changes have been made to make them more reliable and give them a longer life. The old engines do have some issues .....

In the context of tunability. The Pirelli has a much stronger engine internally than the mk6 gti/tiggy/skoda. Whilst I concede that there are things to be cautious of with the older generation engine. With the proper preventative maintenance there is no reliability issue.

So yeah in the context of wanting to perform upgrades. The stronger Pirelli engine will win the reliability stakes any time. It is exactly that reason that VW are using the older generation engine in the MK6 Golf R no doubt.

[noone]

Have to agree with Sharky on the comparison of things other than the turbo.

Again, simple example:

A Polo GTI with some work and a K03 made more HP than similarly tuned K04.

Why? Different maps and supporting mods.

I don't know the mk6 GTI, but it may be very easy to liberate some extra power with a small amount of work to the intake / exhaust.

Some specs would be nice in this thread, I couldn't find much on the Mk6, didn't seem to have a K03 either.

[guest12345]

The tiguan 125TSI ends up cheaper drive away than the GTI even after you add on APR stage 1 = 190kw.
So you have a 190kw AWD + cash vs 150kw FWD

That is why i have gone the tiguan.

you also have a nanny's car as well, you are also 300kg heavier as well.

Ummm ... no they are actually totally different engines .... do a bit of research on that .....



Actually no .... again .... all that power in FWD mean no traction .... classic example where the Stg3 GTI in the Motor Tuner Test could not even crack 6s 0-100km/h .....

And , yes, once underway, the extra power of a modified Pirelli would help .... but even then at points trough the rev range traction is a problem. Not so in an AWD ..... which is why I have a Golf R on order ....

different engine... so? it feels basically the same. you can call it engine a or z, if it practically does the same job, it really doesn't matter.

[G-rig]

Re: Pirelli engine vs MK6 engine

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

The camfollower problem has been fixed as well as other things I can't remember. I'd still chose a mk6 GTI over a MK5 pirelli these days though, and the pirellis still aren't that cheap.

there were a few more differences between the S3 and the pirelli not just the tune iirc.