Pirelli engine vs MK6 engine

[DJC]

Hi,

Just a quick question:-

Does the Pirelli engine have more tuning scope with a reflash than the newer MK6 engine?

[paolob]

Hi,

Just a quick question:-

Does the Pirelli engine have more tuning scope with a reflash than the newer MK6 engine?

it will have more tuning/modification potential then an MK6 GTI but would be more on par with the MK6 Golf R. This is because the MK6 GTI has the K03 engine whilst the MK6 R and Pirelli has the K04 (also found in the S3 and TTS)

[DJC]

Thought that was the case........

[guest12345]

interesting... didn't know that!

[noone]

There is a lot more to consider than just the turbo used.

Some Ko3 Mk4 and Polo GTI's make more power than the K04'd versions with similar mods. Also the Ko4 being a larger turbo comes in later, thus the K03 is used to provide a more consistant power delivery across the rev range.

quick look at the APR site:
Pirelli Chip only: 229kw & 435nm
Mk6 GTI: 189km & 402nm

There is a fair gap between the 2, but as I'm not across any other mods being done to help power (intake, exhaust, etc) this gap may be easy to close or unachievable without replacing the turbo.

Personally I don't really think peak power and torque numbers count for too much, you would really have to drive both to consider how well that power comes on and how well the setup can handle the power.

[GoLfMan]

as said above. The Pirelli is basically an S3 without AWD They'll be a bloody bargain second hand in a couple of months too!

[kryten2001]

as said above. The Pirelli is basically an S3 without AWD They'll be a bloody bargain second hand in a couple of months too!

You reckon? I dunno.. The upgrade from a pirelli to an R isn't really all that compelling. I can't see pirelli owners dumping them en-masse to buy a R.

And remember, there's only 400 of them in the country. I suspect many of them will remain in the hands of the original owners for some time to come.

[GoLfMan]

You reckon? I dunno.. The upgrade from a pirelli to an R isn't really all that compelling. I can't see pirelli owners dumping them en-masse to buy a R.

And remember, there's only 400 of them in the country. I suspect many of them will remain in the hands of the original owners for some time to come.

It was only a guess... Their prices will drop, maybe not as fast as normal mk5 GTI's (which have dropped a bundle thanks to the mk6 coming on the market, and with the mk7 not too far away aswell, they'll drop again!) but they certainly will drop. Only enthusiasts really care how many are in the country, look at the mk4 R32, holding value well, but still dropping a considerable amount.

[kryten2001]

It was only a guess... Their prices will drop, maybe not as fast as normal mk5 GTI's (which have dropped a bundle thanks to the mk6 coming on the market, and with the mk7 not too far away aswell, they'll drop again!) but they certainly will drop. Only enthusiasts really care how many are in the country, look at the mk4 R32, holding value well, but still dropping a considerable amount.

yeah I guess time will tell... I know mine's not going anywhere soon.

The older Ed30's are highly sought after overseas, but yeah the market here is a little different I guess.

[G-rig]

Re: Pirelli engine vs MK6 engine

Agree with noone..
The K03 would be a more pure drive and better around town with little or no noticeable lag.

The K04 would be good on the track where you can open it up.

[guest12345]

There is going to be an mk7 coming out already? lol anyways, i don't think the mk5 value will drop as quickly as people think, it will drop naturally because of age, but i don't think the value will drop that drastically because of the mk6, as personally i think the mk6 is not that appealling at all, especially the looks (but that is personal opinion). pretty much the same car, so people will choose which one looks better.

I had the opportunity to buy the mk6 gti but chose not to, and went for the mk5 pirelli instead. as it is better for power and looks IMO (stock).

mk4 R32 can't really be compared in terms of price, as the mk5 was a vast improvement on the mk4, where mk6 isn't a vast improvement on the mk5.

As to Mk6 R... it is a slightly different price range isn't it? i would of thought the r32 owners would more likely to upgrade to mk6 r compared to pirelli owners.

Ps i like my limited editions, they are always good

[kryten2001]

Agree with noone..
The K03 would be a more pure drive and better around town with little or no noticeable lag.

The K04 would be good on the track where you can open it up.

More pure? I don't know what that means exactly.....

[VW Central]

More pure? I don't know what that means exactly.....

He can't talk since he hasn't driven both and drives a NON-turbo car!

[Tim]

A tuned k03 is nice for zipping in and out of traffic but thats about it. Id take a k04 powered car over a k03 any day.
The power delivery is much nicer and they dont run out of puff so early.

Also agree with the sentiments in regards to mkv gti values. If you own a standard 5 door mkv with DSG then dont be surprised when value plummets. Its all supply vs demand vs perceived reliabilty. There will be squillions for sale in the above spec because they sold squillions of them.

[G-rig]

More pure? I don't know what that means exactly.....

meh I just ment less lag, but yes the extra lag would probably be worth it for more powahh!!

He can't talk since he hasn't driven both and drives a NON-turbo car!

I've driven mk5 DSG GTI, mk6 man GTI, not a pirelli yet but should as there is one at the dealers although not hard to add a K04 later to the MK6.