103kW/125kw TDI PD Piezo Siemens injector failure thread

[Greg Roles]

I'd sure be interested to know, for the PD170 ended up in a lot of cars and across several brands, and I really only know the BMN backwards.

[Greg Roles]

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We have several experts from around the world across the various car brands affected joining the admin team.

http://www.facebook.com/VW-AUDI-Skoda-Seat-Pd170-TDI-Injector-Failure/156033921135623

[jazd]

Do I have to like it?

[Greg Roles]

The page - yes. The problem - no.

[kaanage]

Probably the new Caddy 2.0TDI, too. From what my mate "in the know" reckons..

But that's got the CR 103kW engine as used by the Golf MkVI, Tiguan, EOS, Jetta...

[Preen59]

But that's got the CR 103kW engine as used by the Golf MkVI, Tiguan, EOS, Jetta...

I said probably. Advice from someone I trust. I'm not necessarily right.

[kaanage]

Not saying whether your friend's comment was right or wrong but more thinking about the consequences for VW (not to mention the rest of VAG) and the MUCH larger pool of potentially troublesome cars.

[Greg Roles]

It's a big reason why I haven't upgraded, at a time it would be normal for me to do so ( 3 year mark ). Pizeo technology is still evolving. I'm not convinced it's perfected as yet, and yes, it could become a huge headache in years to come. Less likely though as CR removes the oil to loom/pizeo stack contact that seems to be the cause of the MKV problems. Time will tell.

If you look back there was zero talk of MKV problems for the first few years, certainly I found nothing about it back in 2008 when researching my potential GT TDI purchase of the time. CR injectors could be falling over here and there already, just not in numbers big enough to hear about as yet.

[Transporter]

CR piezo injectors are at least 8 years old and they shoud be more reliable. But generaly speaking the life of the CR injectors is shorter than PD injectors (non piezo), it should be at least 200,000km

[Greg Roles]

Audi UK have begun contacting people with failed cars offering reimbursement of costs, and to replace all remaining injectors and loom. Seems their VOSA action, which is their government watchdog, has forced the issue, and Seat UK are following suit. VOSA had 90 case claims in a 3 month period. There is a similar action happening here in Australia, but it's early days. I will let everyone with a failed car know who to talk to when we get to that stage, and I know of a LOT more than on our register, both with VW and across the brands.

Shame it's still just a reconditioned old part, with a possibly better oil seal on the new loom.

[Greg Roles]

Please see my latest post #248 in my "serious" thread", I fitted my UK sent "improved" loom tonight, and it was a mission. The Audi sourced code earlier on in this thread is a DIFFERENT part in several ways, and whilst I managed to get it to work, it's obviously an Audi or at least UK specific part.

I'm still glad I did so, for whilst the wiring insulation wasn't as hard as I expected, it certainly wasn't new, and was quite faded, and my old loom was early 2007, and from what we know to date, definately in the era of failing parts.

I took video of the process, but will hold off putting it together, as this isn't something I recommend people do till we find the reason for the pretty considerable differences in looms.

[Greg Roles]

A copy of the UK VOSA letter going out to UK Audi owners....

[Transporter]

I like the point 2. in that letter.

[Greg Roles]

...and if VAG group here do something similar, I'll let it be.

[harlie]

I have a 103TDi golf V 106000km, extended warranty ran out 3 weeks ago. Car flat bedded to dealer on Thursday night after stopping in peak hour traffic. It will start and run for about 10sec and stop again. Late Friday I’m told it is going to cost me ~$4800 for 4 injectors and loom.