Discover Media retrofit

[Simo]

I only just updated to the RCD330, but I'm thinking of dropping a Composition Media unit in my late 2009 R36 instead. Part number 5K7035200

My gateway is SW: 3C0 907 530 L, HW: 3C0 907 951 - so from what I'm reading this will need to be physically upgraded. Correct?

I have the white MFD, so I understand no CAN filter is required. Correct? If I do need a CAN filter, what exactly am I looking for? Google is not being my best friend right now.

Is there anything else I'm missing?

[kamold]

I only just updated to the RCD330, but I'm thinking of dropping a Composition Media unit in my late 2009 R36 instead. Part number 5K7035200

My gateway is SW: 3C0 907 530 L, HW: 3C0 907 951 - so from what I'm reading this will need to be physically upgraded. Correct?

I have the white MFD, so I understand no CAN filter is required. Correct? If I do need a CAN filter, what exactly am I looking for? Google is not being my best friend right now.

Is there anything else I'm missing?

Yes you need a 7N0 gateway.
CAN filter is not required however the Composition Media unit needs to have been physically patched or it will trip Component Protection after 8 hours of runtime and be useless at that point.

[Simo]

Yes you need a 7N0 gateway.
CAN filter is not required however the Composition Media unit needs to have been physically patched or it will trip Component Protection after 8 hours of runtime and be useless at that point.

Thanks Kamold - do you know if the gateway still needs to be at least a BC revision?

[kamold]

Thanks Kamold - do you know if the gateway still needs to be at least a BC revision?

Can't say with certainty as I've never seen a composition media but it would be a safe bet to assume as much.

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[Simo]

Final question... I hope!

I can see you've upgraded to the B7 steering wheel, whereas I'm assuming those of us with an original 8 button, will have some issues.

I purchased this adapter (part BD-ITQAC17820) to get all my buttons working on an RCD330 - would it be as simple as using the same adapter to get them working with Composition/Discovery Media?

[kamold]

Final question... I hope!

I can see you've upgraded to the B7 steering wheel, whereas I'm assuming those of us with an original 8 button, will have some issues.

I purchased this adapter (part BD-ITQAC17820) to get all my buttons working on an RCD330 - would it be as simple as using the same adapter to get them working with Composition/Discovery Media?

Discover and composition media work perfectly fine with the older wheels.
No adapter required like with rcd330.

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[Simo]

Thanks Kamold - you've been an absolute superstar with all my questions!

That is not what I expected - I thought an 8 button wheel would be a no-go immediately!

If I'm not wrong, won't a Discover/Composition Media retrofit will still need an adapter harness like this to go from the older style pin assignment to new assignment for a MIB2 unit? I couldn't in your breakdown (only a new harness for the camera).

Did you have a different solution?

[kamold]

Thanks Kamold - you've been an absolute superstar with all my questions!

That is not what I expected - I thought an 8 button wheel would be a no-go immediately!

If I'm not wrong, won't a Discover/Composition Media retrofit will still need an adapter harness like this to go from the older style pin assignment to new assignment for a MIB2 unit? I couldn't in your breakdown (only a new harness for the camera).

Did you have a different solution?

Yes there is a quadlock adapter harness required.

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[Clinton]

Hi so i have a headunit from mk7 2013 golf with nav etc. Wondering what model units i can upgrade and fit in there as my current one has an annoying buzz coming from the screen.

[kamold]

Hi so i have a headunit from mk7 2013 golf with nav etc. Wondering what model units i can upgrade and fit in there as my current one has an annoying buzz coming from the screen.

You can retrofit an MQB MIB2 unit.
Will also need a new screen (you can use either the 6.5 in or upgrade to 8 inch if you get the surround trim and vents also)

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[Simo]

Great write-up Kamold - I followed it to the letter for my Composition Media install, and it all works a charm.

Except I can't seem to figure out the following:

1. Parking distance works, but I'm not getting an image on the screen, just the beeps when I'm near an object. Anything that looks like the right coding to enable it does nothing - have I missed something?
2. I have the dreaded "Steering column lock! Visit workshop!" warning on the MFD (and the steering wheel will not lock when parked), due to the 7N0 Gateway being incompatible steering lock - do I need to upgrade the steering lock, or is there a different solution?

Any ideas?

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Chassis Type: 3C-VW46 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 55
          5F 62 65 72

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5K7 035 200 D    HW: 5K7 035 200 D
   Component: MU-S--ER      H22 0245  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2R8010691
   Coding: 028401000000000011110003001828001F0100C60020010002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW27.rod
   VCID: 256F1EC924775B6C4B-8070

[kamold]

Great write-up Kamold - I followed it to the letter for my Composition Media install, and it all works a charm.

Except I can't seem to figure out the following:

1. Parking distance works, but I'm not getting an image on the screen, just the beeps when I'm near an object. Anything that looks like the right coding to enable it does nothing - have I missed something?
2. I have the dreaded "Steering column lock! Visit workshop!" warning on the MFD (and the steering wheel will not lock when parked), due to the 7N0 Gateway being incompatible steering lock - do I need to upgrade the steering lock, or is there a different solution?

Any ideas?

Sunday,06,May,2018,15:02:33:38493
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.0.3 (x64)
Data version: 20180212 DS287.0
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Chassis Type: 3C-VW46 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 55
          5F 62 65 72

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5K7 035 200 D    HW: 5K7 035 200 D
   Component: MU-S--ER      H22 0245  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2R8010691
   Coding: 028401000000000011110003001828001F0100C60020010002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW27.rod
   VCID: 256F1EC924775B6C4B-8070

For ops image on the screen you need to update to a newer park assist module.
Mentioned in my writeup I think? 1k8 module. It needs a wiring harness adapter as the pinout changed.
You can use a golf 7 module and reflash it with Passat CC firmware and parameter set.

Steering column lock error needs a wiring change in the steering column wiring loom.
Need to check my notes and get the details.
Bit of a pain you need to kind of lie upside down in the footwell but not too bad. Just need to bridge 2 wires from memory.

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[Simo]

For ops image on the screen you need to update to a newer park assist module.
Mentioned in my writeup I think? 1k8 module. It needs a wiring harness adapter as the pinout changed.
You can use a golf 7 module and reflash it with Passat CC firmware and parameter set.

Yeah, you did mention it - I thought this might have been just for the overlay on the camera image, which I don't have.

Steering column lock error needs a wiring change in the steering column wiring loom.
Need to check my notes and get the details.
Bit of a pain you need to kind of lie upside down in the footwell but not too bad. Just need to bridge 2 wires from memory.

I saw you did this in your Kamold's R36 thread, but doesn't this also involve an update to the CCM, or can you just bridge the wiring? Some other posts also indicate a CCM update is required.

Alternatively, now that the unit has been coded to the car with the new Gateway - what do you think would happen if I swapped it back to the 3C0 Gateway? Would it still work?

[kamold]

Sorry I'd forgotten about the ELV as I'd already upgraded my CCM previously.
Yes you need to clone your immo data to a new B7 CCM and modify the wiring to resolve it fully.
If you put the 3c0 gateway back in you won't be able to access the composition media unit via diagnostics, however if you leave radio at address 56 enabled, I think you should still be able to control the volume etc from the steering wheel...one way to find out...

Can you post a full autoscan so that I can see the full parts list and coding then I can look at the PDC issue.

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[Simo]

Sorry I'd forgotten about the ELV as I'd already upgraded my CCM previously.
Yes you need to clone your immo data to a new B7 CCM and modify the wiring to resolve it fully.
If you put the 3c0 gateway back in you won't be able to access the composition media unit via diagnostics, however if you leave radio at address 56 enabled, I think you should still be able to control the volume etc from the steering wheel...one way to find out...

Can you post a full autoscan so that I can see the full parts list and coding then I can look at the PDC issue.

Thanks Kamold - I should send you some beers!

Swapping back the old gateway was definitely the way to go. ELV issue gone, and surprisingly communication with the MFD is still as good as it was with the 7N0 gateway, and better than it was with the RCD510 - I can see what's playing, skip tracks, and see who's calling. Win!

Still no parking display - my guess is I still need the newer park assist module to communicate with the head unit, but in reality, I'm just guessing.

I've removed a bunch of thing from the scan like ABS and Door Electrics to fit in the character limit, as I figure they'll make no difference

VCDS scan with the 7N0 Gateway:

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VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE038764   License Plate: 
Mileage: 94960km-59005mi   Repair Order: 






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Chassis Type: 3C-VW46 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 55
          5F 62 65 72


VIN: WVWZZZ3CZAE038764   Mileage: 94960km-59005miles


01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 012 E    HW: 02E 927 770 AJ
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     440 1982  
   Revision: 04844002    Serial number: 00000906161234
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 44551 111 44551
   VCID: 120555150DF9DCD4BE-8046


No fault code found.


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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000003285402
   Coding: E6868F0700041A00470A00000F000000000A59435C000120000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 05124 000 00000
   VCID: 334BF09152A335DCD5-8066


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C2 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 300709 022  0601  
   Coding: 00046997
   Shop #: WSC 05124  


   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AF  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RLS     260809 046  0204  
   Coding: 00208933
   Shop #: WSC 05124  


No fault code found.


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 3C8-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 919 475 A    HW: 3C8 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H07 0009  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 08740921503229
   Coding: 100101
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 61029
   VCID: 3245F5956DB93CD4DE-8066


No fault code found.


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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW25.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 AJ    HW: 3C0 953 549 AJ
   Component: J0527               0030  
   Revision: 00032000    Serial number: 3C5953507CN   
   Coding: 0001211
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 74C9338D172D72E40C-8020


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0030


No fault code found.


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 3C0 920 872 E    HW: 3C0 920 872 E
   Component: KOMBI         H02 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 160F00
   Shop #: WSC 05314 115 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04040
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 277314C15E7B497C79-8072


No fault code found.


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 BL    HW: 7N0 907 530 AN
   Component: J533  Gateway H56 1682  
   Revision:   H56       Serial number: 22041600F12287
   Coding: 350003
   Shop #: WSC 00046 123 12345
   VCID: 7BDB18B1FA733D9C4D-802E


No fault code found.


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    IMMO         052 0383  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 75CF0E891C576BEC3B-8020


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
   Component:    ELV          027 0380
   3C0905861G     ELV          027 0380   


1 Fault Found:
02823 - Requirements for Locking the Steering Column Lock not met 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 0
                    Mileage: 94963 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.26
                    Time: 00:30:28



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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 143    2901  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 2F43FCE1BE8B113CB1-807A


No fault code found.


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AM    HW: 3C0 959 433 AM
   Component:    KSG PQ46 RDK 052 0412  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 00910A0001860E76300494157008DFCE105801
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 75CF0E891C576BEC3B-8020


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H09 9002


   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  004 0611


   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
   Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611


No fault code found.


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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 456     HW: 5K0 035 456 
   Component: KonzernAmp 8K H06 0340  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: BP218198613822
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst8KanalBNO2 A01003
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst8KanalBNO2.rod
   VCID: 67F354C19EFB897CB9-8032


No fault code found.


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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 E    HW: 3C8 907 801 E
   Component: J540 EPB3  VW-15417 0007  
   Revision:   010       Serial number: 00000000006790
   Coding: 0000057
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 2C79EBED8F9D6A2494-8078


No fault code found.


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5K7 035 200 D    HW: 5K7 035 200 D
   Component: MU-S--ER      H22 0245  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2R8010691
   Coding: 028401000000000011110003001828001F0100C60020010002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW27.rod
   VCID: 256F1EC924775B6C4B-8070


1 Fault Found:
1564 - Microphone 1 
          B129B 13 [009] - Open Circuit
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 1
                    Mileage: 94964 km
                    Date: 2018.05.06
                    Time: 21:24:57


                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.6 V



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