2015 Audi SQ5 3.0 TDI Biturbo

[Daniel_M]

The tune and installation of various bits at Underground Performance has been put back a few weeks, will now be occurring across 18/19 November. Alongside the above EGR/DPF modifications, tuning, and a service, there are a few other parts being fitted that I've mentioned previously. Below are photos of these bits and pieces.

034 Motorsports driveline mount inserts.


BMC air filter


Spulen wheel spacers from USP Motorsports (20mm shown, also have the 15mm for front)

[Lucas_R]

Will be great to pick the car up with all of those mods done at once. Also I was going to mention that you should consider joining the Aussie SQ5 owners group on Facebook if you are interested. Audi SQ5 Owners Australia

Through this Facebook group I have become aware of another tuning company who does work on the SQ5's, called 3bar. They are also based in Melbourne (not far from Underground) and offer the ECU tune for $1050 (stage 1, stage 2 which is what you need might cost a little extra), and they also tune the transmission for $1200 3BAR | EURO ECU & TCU PERFORMANCE TUNING

[Daniel_M]

Also I was going to mention that you should consider joining the Aussie SQ5 owners group on Facebook if you are interested. Audi SQ5 Owners Australia

Mate - sounds great, I'd love to, but I'm not on Facebook!

Through this Facebook group I have become aware of another tuning company who does work on the SQ5's, called 3bar. They are also based in Melbourne (not far from Underground) and offer the ECU tune for $1050 (stage 1, stage 2 which is what you need might cost a little extra), and they also tune the transmission for $1200 3BAR | EURO ECU & TCU PERFORMANCE TUNING

I'll check them out. Good reviews of their work on Facebook? Their site is pretty basic, and I get a bit disconcerted when a business seems to go out of their way to not give you their actual address (other than a suburb). Gives me 'backyarder' vibes (rightly or wrongly). I'll give them a ring anyway and see what's up. From where I live it's about a 20 minute drive to either Underground or them.

[Louie_111]

Hi Daniel

I just had the stage 1 tune along with an EGR/DPF at Zadtec Performance by Jay. I own an SQ5 same engine as Lucas (I have been also following his thread) I had my pipe made at Windsor Exhaust without the provision for the sensors, I thought this wouldn't be necessary given the DPF delete and having watched the darkside DPF delete video for their A6 bitdi 3.0. It ended up costing $349 with their current workload taking 7 days to make the pipe.



I was also presented with a blocked DPF prior to the tune, had followed Lucas on how he had cleaned his DPF but eventually in time due the nature of my short trips, it again blocked so proceeded with the tune DPF/EGR delete.
Jay had succesfully performed both DPF and EGR delete along with tune however was left with the following errors from VCDS that was unable to resolve. I left the workshop with the car in limp mode obviously keen to get to the bottom of this. I thought these errors were in relation to the DPF being blocked but they still remain after the tune with the DPF and EGR deleted.

2 Faults Found:
11876 - Control Circuit for Turbocharger Inlet Valve
P22CF 00 [175] - Open Circuit
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 109235 km
Date: 2021.11.10
Time: 14:33:36
Engine RPM: 738.00 /min
Normed load value: 11.8 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 75 °C
Intake air temperature: 26 °C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 13.760 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Charge air pressure: actual value: 988.6 hPa

11881 - Control Circuit for Turbocharger Inlet Valve
P22D0 00 [038] - Short to GND
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 109235 km
Date: 2021.11.10
Time: 14:34:10
VCDS
Diagnostic Trouble Code Report
Control Module Part Number: 8K5 907 589
Page 2
Engine RPM: 763.00 /min
Normed load value: 6.7 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 76 °C
Intake air temperature: 28 °C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 12.020 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Charge air pressure: actual value: 981.6 hPa

Not much info around these fault codes – I have ran output tests in VCDS for the wastegate actuator on the secondary (top) turbo and electronic actuator on the primary (bottom) turbo and both move as it should. I am just not sure how much travel is required on the secondary turbo.
It's booked in at several workshops around the Hills area to further diagnose.

Also I purchased the 10.25inch from RSNAV – they specialise in making units for AUDI and it’s fully integrated with existing controls including steering wheel. Android auto comes as standard.

S3 Navigation System 10.25" Android 9.0 4GB/64GB for Audi Q3 – RS Nav

All the best with your tune and delete!

[Daniel_M]

Thanks for having a read and for your input mate, look to be in a spot of bother with the car left in limp mode! Mildly worried with what I'm going into next week.

It's booked in at several workshops around the Hills area to further diagnose.

Might be worth also flicking Darkside an email - they were very helpful when I was in touch with them, and may have seen it before.

Also I purchased the 10.25inch from RSNAV – they specialise in making units for AUDI and it’s fully integrated with existing controls including steering wheel. Android auto comes as standard.

These units did look good. I had looked at them back when I first purchased the car, but decided that it didn't seem (to me) like it was a "finished product" yet. Seemed to be a lot of test this, test that, update firmware etc from the owner of the company in a forum I was following at the time. That said, years have passed since then.

The units today look good, I played with one that was nice - wireless Android Auto is also a bonus.. AES/Nathan popping up was opportunistic for me, but very happy with the unit. All MMI and steering wheel buttons work with the unit - only gripe, as above, is the wired Android Auto - which, to be fair, I knew about prior to install.

All the best with your tune and delete!

Thanks - appreciate it! All the best with getting your car back up and running properly too!

[Daniel_M]

Bit of an update - my car was in with the guys at Underground Performance Thu/Fri last week. As an aside, great bunch of guys down there - really friendly, helpful and most importantly knowledgeable.

Works performed:
- Service
- Fitment of new BMC air filter
- Fitment of EGR blocking kit (Darkside)
- Fitment of DPF delete pipe (Darkside)
- Engine and transmission tune

I'll start with what wasn't fitted.

The 034 Motorsports driveline mount inserts - I was given strong feedback by the guys in the shop to think twice as they had fitted them to another customer's vehicle, and they returned within days to get them removed due to noise/vibration introduced. They test drove and confirmed. Noises and creaks do my head in, so I decided not to fit them for now - if I get a chance to ride in an SQ5 with them fitted to see how they are for myself, I'll reconsider and cross that bridge at that time.

The wheel spacers also weren't fitted due to the guys not being able to locate the secure wheel locking nut. I've since found it, so this will be ticked off later today.

Initial thoughts post-works

The car is A LOT more spritely. Increases in power and torque are very evident, as you'd hope, but also shift cadence has changed and that seems to have improved how the car gets through the low gears. Very impressed with how the car drives.

In terms of results, below are the obligatory dyno photos and the results graph. Overall 24% increase in max power (238.8kW v 192.3kW), and ~22% increase in max torque (~670Nm v ~550Nm). Worth noting the baseline figures were after performing the works above, so are probably already a little improved upon what would have been the true stock position of the car.







Picked up the car Friday night and drove across the weekend without issue. Monday morning the check engine light came on, but car is performing fine. I'm due to head back to Underground this afternoon to get that looked at, and also get the wheel spacers installed.

Only downside of note is that at idle there can be a lot of smoke coming out of the exhaust. When driving, and even pushing hard, it isn't noticeable. Sitting at the lights amongst other cars, quite noticeable. The smoke appears fairly white, and doesn't seem to have a smell. Not sure what that is, but hoping something is just burning off from the new exhaust components and it settles down soon as I'm not comfortable with it if it is a permanent thing. Any ideas are welcomed!

[Daniel_M]

Last night modifications were finalised with the wheel spacers going on - the wheels look great, much improved.

The check engine light turned out to relate to EGR settings, this was rectified by software update.

The high volume of white smoke at idle turned out to be Ad Blue burning off... We've learnt that when deleting DPF and EGR on the diesel SQ5 you need to also disable Ad Blue. The guys took care of that with a software update alongside the EGR settings, and physically disconnected the Ad Blue module.

Car is now complete, for now. Alex from Underground tickled my interest by talking about a suspension upgrade just as I was leaving. See how we go on that one.

Big thanks to the guys at Underground, most helpful and will be my go-to shop for servicing and works going forward.

[Lucas_R]

Good to hear you got it all done. Makes perfect sense to have to disable the AdBlue system as its related to emissions, and you have now removed/disabled all of the emissions components (DPF and EGR). The AdBlue system is problematic anyway (and expensive to fix) to a good thing to have disabled that. The AdBlue pumps fail and also the AdBlue injectors fail - both expensive to replace.

Your car must be a later 2015 build model than mine because mine does not have AdBlue - it seems they started fitting it sometime in the 2nd half of 2015. I think from memory mine is a June or July build date.

I bet the car feels great now with an extra 40+kw and 100+nm at the wheels. And no doubt the transmission tune would be contributing to those gains as they raise the torque limiters in the lower gears.

Funny they had bad feedback on the 034 Motorsports inserts. I installed the transmission mount insert first, then a while later the diff cradle mounts and then finally the rear diff mount. The transmission mount and diff cradle mounts made a noticeable difference to sharpening up the slop in the drivetrain with no noises or other negatives. I am also very sensitive to noises and vibrations and I have no complaints about the 034 parts for the SQ5.

With my Golf GTI, I installed some 034 Motorsport upper strut mounts when installing my lowering springs about 12 months ago - they were shocking. Hated them from the get-go. Left them in for a few weeks to see if the noise would subside as the parts "wore-in", but they didn't change. They rattled and clunked all the time - sounded like the car was falling apart. I removed them and replaced with new original mounts - silent again. So, not all their parts are great, but I have zero complaints with the parts ive installed in the SQ5.

[Sharkie]

Funny they had bad feedback on the 034 Motorsports inserts. I installed the transmission mount insert first, then a while later the diff cradle mounts and then finally the rear diff mount. The transmission mount and diff cradle mounts made a noticeable difference to sharpening up the slop in the drivetrain with no noises or other negatives. I am also very sensitive to noises and vibrations and I have no complaints about the 034 parts for the SQ5.

With my Golf GTI, I installed some 034 Motorsport upper strut mounts when installing my lowering springs about 12 months ago - they were shocking. Hated them from the get-go. Left them in for a few weeks to see if the noise would subside as the parts "wore-in", but they didn't change. They rattled and clunked all the time - sounded like the car was falling apart. I removed them and replaced with new original mounts - silent again. So, not all their parts are great, but I have zero complaints with the parts ive installed in the SQ5.

Transmission mounts are a bit of a hit and miss affair. I have had it in the Tiguan and the GTI with no notable issues .... BUT .... the newly (July) fitted one currently in the Mustang is unpleasant. It did improve the shift notably though so I am still on the fence about it.

Pity you can't try before you buy these things (would have saved me heaps over the years). Perhaps its down to the particular mounts' make-up, so I'd be tempted to try it and you can always pull it out if you don't like it.

[Lucas_R]

@Daniel_M how's the SQ5 running now that its been a few weeks since the mods? Happy with it?

[Louie_111]

Thanks for sharing mate its been informative and helpful reading your experience!

The fault was due to a faulty boost pressure control valve solenoid which sits underneath the EGR pipe.

The car has since been as you say more spirited and am very pleased with the end result. Highly recommend Jay at Zadtec for anyone wanting to perform this tune in the Sydney area.

How did you go after disconnecting the adblue module? Do you notice if you emit any smoke under hard acceleration?

Thanks for having a read and for your input mate, look to be in a spot of bother with the car left in limp mode! Mildly worried with what I'm going into next week.



Might be worth also flicking Darkside an email - they were very helpful when I was in touch with them, and may have seen it before.
Thanks for sharing mate its been informative and helpful reading your experience!

The fault was due to a faulty boost pressure control valve solenoid which sits underneath the EGR pipe.

The car has since been as you say more spirited and am very pleased with the end result. Highly recommend Jay at Zadtec for anyone wanting to perform this tune in the Sydney area.

How did you go after the adblue software update? Do you notice if you emit any smoke under hard acceleration?


These units did look good. I had looked at them back when I first purchased the car, but decided that it didn't seem (to me) like it was a "finished product" yet. Seemed to be a lot of test this, test that, update firmware etc from the owner of the company in a forum I was following at the time. That said, years have passed since then.

The units today look good, I played with one that was nice - wireless Android Auto is also a bonus.. AES/Nathan popping up was opportunistic for me, but very happy with the unit. All MMI and steering wheel buttons work with the unit - only gripe, as above, is the wired Android Auto - which, to be fair, I knew about prior to install.



Thanks - appreciate it! All the best with getting your car back up and running properly too!

[Daniel_M]

Hey guys - appreciate the interest, an update after a few weeks of driving.

The car is really great, puts a smile on my face now. I've always enjoyed driving it, but now it kind of feels how I always wanted it to.

My personal favourite is the take-off from a rolling start in low second gear - she pulls hard.

No issues since finalising things the other week. Disconnecting the Ad Blue module has had the desired effect on the white smoke, I really never see smoke out of the exhaust at any point in time now. I assumed at various points I might see a bit floating off, but literally none.

Unsurprisingly bit more of an odour when I get out of the car and walk around to the boot, but nothing the Mrs has noticed so can't be very offensive.

Exhaust sound is marginally louder post-DPF removal, but again not really noticable. I've left the Kufatec module on the same setting I used to have it on.

In all, thrilled with the results.

I'll be keeping an eye on the other thread Lucas for more inspiration - got the bug now! Suspension, maybe? I'm all ears.

[Daniel_M]

Also, coincidental but I did have to laugh. Due to shortages of the commodity urea, which among other things is a key ingredient in AdBlue - there is currrently a serious shortage of the stuff. Wholesale suppliers are severely depleted, or already out of stock. Will be like gold for a while... Glad I no longer have a use for it!

[Daniel_M]

Bit of an update, has been a while but we've been busy with a new child.

KUFATEC SOUND BOOSTER
First update is for the sound booster. I rarely change settings on this, but tried one day and noticed that the cruise control stem was no longer working to change sound profiles. I plugged the Kufatec module into my laptop and everything appeared fine - but the sound wasn't changing.
I took the car to Auto Fidelity who originally fitted the module. The guy said he knew the issue without looking at the car, but did check it anyway. His words: in these older models there is some connection between the functional exhaust output, and the fake exhaust tip that has the speaker attached to it. When I had the DPFs removed, this had the unintended impact of breaking my speakers. He plugged a new speaker in and the module was back up and running instantly.
He said in later models, Audi removed any connection between exhaust and speaker, and therefore removing DPFs in these vehicles does not have a similar impact.
My options were to leave it as-is, or get a new speakers installed in the car. He suggested just one speaker mounted in the centre between the current two exhaust tips, hidden behind the bumper.
I've decided to leave it as is for now.
I recall when the DPFs were removed that the exhaust sound didn't change much - turned out that the speakers broke and were no longer producing noise but this was more-or-less offset by the DPFs being removed and the actual exhaust being louder.

The car was recently serviced and I've been provided a list of things that will need attention soon, I might post them here to get thoughts on reasonableness of the quote. Will get to that another day as I don't have the quote in front of me at the minute.

Other than that car is still driving great post-tune.

[Daniel_M]

And the bits and pieces I've been quoted on, due to wear & tear. Prices include labour.

Front upper control arm bushes - $1,330
Engine mounts - $2,080 (OEM) or $1,295 (aftermarket)
Front buffer torque mount - $95
Rear centre diff bush - $895

Powerflex sell front upper control arm bushes (polyurethane) for $241.50 inc shipping - even allowing for margin on the product, seems to have a lot of labour attached to this. Haven't looked into the other parts as yet.