Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Eaglen00b]

YIKES Brad.... that's a pretty big jump.

[The_Hawk]

At this point I think everyone is picking numbers out of the air. AFAIK there is no proposed fix or campaign set in motion just yet. There are lots of "options" that we can guess at including engine mapping, replacement, buyback and I'm sure lots more. Until there is some clarity no one will know what the impact will be or even begin to think of what comes next.

[arcadelt]

I'm not sure where you get 1%-2% from. I assume you are just pulling numbers out of the air.

Yes, I am pulling these numbers out of the air, but I'm talking about a change against the totality of the car. If you calculated your 20% increase in fuel consumption over the remainder of your ownership of the car as a change against every aspect of the car (looks, comfort, performance, utility, etc), it would be a very small increase indeed.

[brad]

YIKES Brad.... that's a pretty big jump.

Yep. Would have pursued it but it was being run on a company fuel card. It was a pain having to fill up earlier.

[Rawcpoppa]

Vested interests. The folks defending VW's conduct and actions should come clean and preface their comments (or at least declare their financial/business interests in servicing/parts supply etc for VW vehicles in their signatures at the bottom of their comments).

You should have seen how they were defending VW over dsg issues before and during the recall. It was ridiculous.

[Ryeman]

To think that the negative press has not had a detrimental effect on resale value is to be naive regardless of all the other factors you mentioned. Don't take my word for it. It's already affecting posters in the US with dealers giving ridiculously low trade in values on TDI vehicles specifically.

Don't take my word for it again: KBB: VW diesel prices have dropped 16%

I do not think those price drops are coincidence considering all the other things around resale.

Vested interests. The folks defending VW's conduct and actions should come clean and preface their comments (or at least declare their financial/business interests in servicing/parts supply etc for VW vehicles in their signatures at the bottom of their comments).

Yes, I am pulling these numbers out of the air, but I'm talking about a change against the totality of the car. If you calculated your 20% increase in fuel consumption over the remainder of your ownership of the car as a change against every aspect of the car (looks, comfort, performance, utility, etc), it would be a very small increase indeed.

Certainly
But
Only if the EGR, in particular, NEVER needs replacing whilst it's in your ownership......otherwise those 'economy' figures don't add up.
Not a problem for a business 'write off' of course.....like all business 'costs' , they are passed on the the consumer.
Thats why a 'declaration of confidence' from VW is so important.

[Elmura]

Disclaimer: My business is in IT & AV & I have an engineering background. I also occasionally build houses & do VCDS services on the side. I've owned many brands of cars & will continue to choose the best value car for my particular needs. I have zero vested interest in VW.

Additionally, I am not condoning VW engineers buy rather am fed up with the hysteria, whingers & free loaders tarnishing a good brand & great value product.

That said, consider this:
1. To prove loss in resale value, you'll need to have sold the car post scandal; proven that the resale was lower than before the scandal by greater than the usual drop due to age, km, condition; & provide evidence of these factors
2. Any future increase in fuel consumption or cost of adblue post "fix" can be offset against the years of lower running costs prior to the fix.
3. You are not legally required to implement the recall. You have a choice!

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[Ryeman]

To think that the negative press has not had a detrimental effect on resale value is to be naive regardless of all the other factors you mentioned. Don't take my word for it. It's already affecting posters in the US with dealers giving ridiculously low trade in values on TDI vehicles specifically.

Don't take my word for it again: KBB: VW diesel prices have dropped 16%

I do not think those price drops are coincidence considering all the other things around resale.

Vested interests. The folks defending VW's conduct and actions should come clean and preface their comments (or at least declare their financial/business interests in servicing/parts supply etc for VW vehicles in their signatures at the bottom of their comments).

Disclaimer: My business is in IT & AV & I have an engineering background. I also occasionally build houses & do VCDS services on the side. I've owned many brands of cars & will continue to choose the best value car for my particular needs. I have zero vested interest in VW.

Additionally, I am not condoning VW engineers buy rather am fed up with the hysteria, whingers & free loaders tarnishing a good brand & great value product.

That said, consider this:
1. To prove loss in resale value, you'll need to have sold the car post scandal; proven that the resale was lower than before the scandal by greater than the usual drop due to age, km, condition; & provide evidence of these factors
2. Any future increase in fuel consumption or cost of adblue post "fix" can be offset against the years of lower running costs prior to the fix.
3. You are not legally required to implement the recall. You have a choice!

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Those who have the advantage of being able to write off VW's failures are not in the same space as the average punter......giving THEM a lecture is a bit rich......they would benefit more with a longer warranty than you would also.

[Elmura]

Those who have the advantage of being able to write off VW's failures are not in the same space as the average punter......giving THEM a lecture is a bit rich......they would benefit more with a longer warranty than you would also.

My VW is not a company car... Your accusation is moot. My wife drives it majority of the time. I purchased an extended warranty months ago.

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[Ryeman]

To think that the negative press has not had a detrimental effect on resale value is to be naive regardless of all the other factors you mentioned. Don't take my word for it. It's already affecting posters in the US with dealers giving ridiculously low trade in values on TDI vehicles specifically.

Don't take my word for it again: KBB: VW diesel prices have dropped 16%

I do not think those price drops are coincidence considering all the other things around resale.

Vested interests. The folks defending VW's conduct and actions should come clean and preface their comments (or at least declare their financial/business interests in servicing/parts supply etc for VW vehicles in their signatures at the bottom of their comments).

My VW is not a company car... Your accusation is moot. My wife drives it majority of the time. I purchased an extended warranty months ago.

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If it's a great value product then it has to make economic sense over the long term particularly if it's a diesel.....the question no one want to answer is why is VW only prepared to back their own product for the industry minimum, these days, of 3 years/100K......not much more than run in timer for a diesel.......answer ....it's the ancillaries and VW aren't sure that they WILL last.

[arcadelt]

Moot seems to be the word of the day

[Guest001]

Panic and supposition would be the next two.

[Snail Style]

And false facts as well. Industry minimum warranty periods? Ummm warranty periods are completely voluntary as far as i am aware. Last i heard was VW's standard warranty is a 2 year, which VW Aus through the kindness in it's heart extends to 3 years.

[Elmura]

why is VW only prepared to back their own product for the industry minimum, these days, of 3 years/100K......not much more than run in timer for a diesel.......answer ....it's the ancillaries and VW aren't sure that they WILL last.

Please list all the manufacturers that provide more than 3 years. Not many is there?
And, please advise how you know this inside knowledge of VW durability.

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[Swallowtail]

At this point I think everyone is picking numbers out of the air. AFAIK there is no proposed fix or campaign set in motion just yet. There are lots of "options" that we can guess at including engine mapping, replacement, buyback and I'm sure lots more. Until there is some clarity no one will know what the impact will be or even begin to think of what comes next.

^ This.