Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[The_Hawk]

Conspiracy theories aside, I actually find it pretty plausible that the "cheat" was compartmentalised with only a small number of people in the know. From what we are seeing/hearing/reading about other brands it seems to be pretty common practise to tweak the mapping so that in those specific test conditions emissions are tightly controlled vs real world where it may be a very different story (maybe those people who "hypermile" may get those results, but not normal humans).

Is it therefore possible that a couple of VW techs went a step further and figured that since real world was so different anyway... why not just tweak the WHOLE map and detect when that map should run! I think it's likely the techs local management team would have known, but generally the good news story of "we found a fix" is about the only thing that went upstairs.

[Rawcpoppa]

Conspiracy theories aside, I actually find it pretty plausible that the "cheat" was compartmentalised with only a small number of people in the know. From what we are seeing/hearing/reading about other brands it seems to be pretty common practise to tweak the mapping so that in those specific test conditions emissions are tightly controlled vs real world where it may be a very different story (maybe those people who "hypermile" may get those results, but not normal humans).

Is it therefore possible that a couple of VW techs went a step further and figured that since real world was so different anyway... why not just tweak the WHOLE map and detect when that map should run! I think it's likely the techs local management team would have known, but generally the good news story of "we found a fix" is about the only thing that went upstairs.

The impression I get is that other manufacturers do not switch maps like Vw did. The other manufacturers couldn't get their emissions to work and played by the rules. It's why most don't have a Diesel engine for the US in smaller cars.

If the test conditions were reproduced on the road the Vw would fail not just because of extra load but because it wouldn't recognize it was being tested and not switch to the test map.

[Transporter]

People are very easy to manipulate onto thinking that the things exist or are happening and medias are doing a great job to achieve that.

[Rawcpoppa]

People are very easy to manipulate onto thinking that the things exist or are happening and medias are doing a great job to achieve that.

The guardian out of the U.K. Is doing a particularly good job trying to draw other manufacturers in.

The thing that gets me is the regulator's documents are online for all and sundry to see with a simple google search.

[wai]

The thing that gets me is the regulator's documents are online for all and sundry to see with a simple google search.

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story

[The_Hawk]

The impression I get is that other manufacturers do not switch maps like Vw did. The other manufacturers couldn't get their emissions to work and played by the rules.

I get that VW did the whole switch thing, but I get the impression that other brands make compromises in the mapping to get the results they need to pass given they know the test procedure. This would lead to a car that might suck unless you stick the boot in to get to the real power. VW just made the compromises in a map that real drivers never see

[Elmura]

The trolls are out in force: oilburna , ducksonetime etc. Ohhh how you have personally been cheated! Ohhh, how you are such environmentalists! Please tell us, at what time have you ever checked the nitrogen oxides emissions of cars you purchased? When were you made aware such an emission existed?

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[hoi polloi]

Personally, I didn't check anything like CO2 or NOx bit did look at kW, Nm etc. L/100km is nice but I know the normal driver can't get near to these figures. Thing is, in the diesel Golf I get closer to the published L/100km than in any other car I've ever owned...

Things get tricky if, after the fix we're down significantly in kW or Nm.

VW have tried to deceive and have been caught doing so - they've admitted fault. Time will tell what the consequences are...

- Anthony

[Transporter]

Personally, I didn't check anything like CO2 or NOx bit did look at kW, Nm etc. L/100km is nice but I know the normal driver can't get near to these figures. Thing is, in the diesel Golf I get closer to the published L/100km than in any other car I've ever owned...

Things get tricky if, after the fix we're down significantly in kW or Nm.

VW have tried to deceive and have been caught doing so - they've admitted fault. Time will tell what the consequences are...

- Anthony

With 5 diesels in family, every our car gets better fuel economy than specified, and that's even after 140,000km and with the newer ones even in the city driving conditions.

So, I have no reason to be worried that the fuel economy would suffer.

[Eaglen00b]

ROFL ....

Volkswagen emissions to be made in to a movie

Liam Neeson can play Winterkorn as the hapless CEO.

[Eaglen00b]

And here are the scapegoats for dieselgate

"This was a couple of software engineers who put this in for whatever reason," Michael Horn, VW's U.S. chief executive, told a House subcommittee hearing. "To my understanding, this was not a corporate decision. This was something individuals did."

VW exec blames 'a couple of' rogue engineers for emissions scandal - LA Times

Right... 11 million times. Across multiple markets. And production runs....

[hoi polloi]

with the newer ones even in the city driving conditions.

Yes, admittedly on a trip or even lighter traffic I do meet the numbers (real numbers rather than those from the trip computer). There's something about Sydney traffic though...

- Anthony

[jets]

L/100km is nice but I know the normal driver can't get near to these figures.

Our Mk5 TDI consistently achieves better than the official figures in hills & city driving. In fact I think something is wrong if it's above. I put it down to driving style & I keep up with the traffic flow.

[Swallowtail]

My BMW X3 (3.0D) has official combined fuel figures of 6.0l/100km. Lol... I reckon average you could get about 7.5, and over the 50,000km I've driven I've averaged 8.2l/100km.

The whole fuel economy figures process is broken.

[ian]

Richo. Is talking about the diesel gate. On sky tonight.