New Passat 206TSI R-Line

[SciroccoJ]

Just got it back from my detailer .... Tony from Klasse Detailing. Got paint correction done, Carpro Cquartz Finest for all paint work and window plus wheel! It looks the business now!!! (will do a report on another thread later on with video)

[chopper]

I'm about to pull the trigger on a 206TSI Wagon. I'm currently driving a Black R36 sedan.

A few questions:

-How is the moonroof? Does anyone have any experience with one in the Passat? Does it get too hot?

-Any opinions on what colour the Passat wagon looks best in? I'm tossing up between white or grey.

I got my roof tinted... to try and reject as much heat as I could in summer. Over the past few hot days, it's been OK. If it gets unbearable (I can usually park in shade wherever I go), I intend to use a product called Kingspan Aircell (it's a housing insulation product), cut to shape and inserted between the glass and blind during summer. Should fix the problem.

Colour is purely subjective. Don't let anyone tell you what is the better colour... that's your choice! Personally, if I didn't get the Tungsten Silver (I only buy light coloured cars)... I'd probably have purchased White or Reflex Silver. White is $700 cheaper. Any colour looks good...

[chopper]

Just got it back from my detailer .... Tony from Klasse Detailing. Got paint correction done, Carpro Cquartz Finest for all paint work and window plus wheel! It looks the business now!!! (will do a report on another thread later on with video)

Just curious... what does it cost for that stuff? I've never bothered with paint protection or any of the aftermarket products... we usually turn around our cars pretty quickly so I never saw the value. But... your car looks the ducks guts now!

I'm looking forward to the video! You should throw it on YouTube as well... there's a distinct lack of 206TSI video reviews on there!!!

[SciroccoJ]

Just curious... what does it cost for that stuff? I've never bothered with paint protection or any of the aftermarket products... we usually turn around our cars pretty quickly so I never saw the value. But... your car looks the ducks guts now!

I'm looking forward to the video! You should throw it on YouTube as well... there's a distinct lack of 206TSI video reviews on there!!!

I am not a fan about it with my previous cars as I kept my cars for a max of 2 years normally ... but I am thinking to keep the 206 for a longer term, so better protect it with some goodie. another thing is life is getting a lot busier, less and less time for me to look after my cars like I used to, my Tiguan's paintwork was at a disgrace status after 20 months of ownership ... so yeah.....

It will normally cost $880 for the coating (paint work), and $250 for wheels and windows.

[SciroccoJ]

https://vimeo.com/192849303

Hope this works.......


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[wm7503]

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looks great!!!!

happy driving.

[chopper]

https://vimeo.com/192849303

Hope this works.......

I'm looking forward to seeing a full video review soon!

[Buzy_Robot]

I'm looking to hearing what the changeover is. I wouldn't think it should be more than about $20,000 (assuming your Highline has the Lux. and R-Line packs!). Any more than that, it's probably not worth it!

Mate, got the call from the dealer and was quoted a $29,000 changeover.

For my MY16 140TDI Highline sedan with R-Line pack and Luxury Pack at 7 months of age with slightly less than 18,000 kms they are offering me $34,000. Mind you, I paid $55,000 for it, so that means a depreciation hit of $21,000 in 7 months. I expect depreciation, but not by that much.

Total purchase price for the 206TSI Passat sedan being $34,000 + $29,000 equals $63,000. So, they are expecting me to pretty much pay full retail price for it.

I quoted VW website price of $63,295 but was told dealer fees vary between dealers and that it's about $64,000 at this particular dealer. So, hike up the dealer fees and make it look like I'm been given a $1,000 discount. Was also given the argument that the 206TSI is a new model and pretty rare, so dealers are not really willing to offer any substantial discounts.

I have bought 5 Passats from this dealership in as many years and always been given the very best possible changeover price by the sales team. No need for haggling, really looked after me and cultivated my loyalty. Now there's a new team ... need I say more?

I can tell you it won't be a $20,000 changeover, but there's no way I'll be paying for a $29,000 changeover!

Business is business, so I need to keep emotion out of it. As it stands, they will get back to me tomorrow with another offer.

[chopper]

Mate, got the call from the dealer and was quoted a $29,000 changeover.

For my MY16 140TDI Highline sedan with R-Line pack and Luxury Pack at 7 months of age with slightly less than 18,000 kms they are offering me $34,000. Mind you, I paid $55,000 for it, so that means a depreciation hit of $21,000 in 7 months. I expect depreciation, but not by that much.

Total purchase price for the 206TSI Passat sedan being $34,000 + $29,000 equals $63,000. So, they are expecting me to pretty much pay full retail price for it.

I quoted VW website price of $63,295 but was told dealer fees vary between dealers and that it's about $64,000 at this particular dealer. So, hike up the dealer fees and make it look like I'm been given a $1,000 discount. Was also given the argument that the 206TSI is a new model and pretty rare, so dealers are not really willing to offer any substantial discounts.

I have bought 5 Passats from this dealership in as many years and always been given the very best possible changeover price by the sales team. No need for haggling, really looked after me and cultivated my loyalty. Now there's a new team ... need I say more?

I can tell you it won't be a $20,000 changeover, but there's no way I'll be paying for a $29,000 changeover!

Business is business, so I need to keep emotion out of it. As it stands, they will get back to me tomorrow with another offer.

Sorry Mate... that's bollocks! Your car would be back on their lot the very next day for $40,000+.

Say there's a $6,000 difference between a 140TDI Highline (with all packages) and a 206TSI (with roof) - allowing for the spec changes between MY16 & MY17 (digital display but smaller 18" with the R-Line etc.)... that's actually a $23,000 depreciation hit! I agree, 42% in 7 months is excessive!!!

With that trade offer, you'd want to pay no more than about $60,700 for the car (with roof and paint)... and push for better!

[Buzy_Robot]

Sorry Mate... that's bollocks! Your car would be back on their lot the very next day for $40,000+.

Say there's a $6,000 difference between a 140TDI Highline (with all packages) and a 206TSI (with roof) - allowing for the spec changes between MY16 & MY17 (digital display but smaller 18" with the R-Line etc.)... that's actually a $23,000 depreciation hit! I agree, 42% in 7 months is excessive!!!

With that trade offer, you'd want to pay no more than about $60,700 for the car (with roof and paint)... and push for better!

Indeed! And I'm not even looking for sunroof or metallic paint. A white 206TSI sedan with no options is what I'm after. Stay tuned!

[chopper]

Indeed! And I'm not even looking for sunroof or metallic paint. A white 206TSI sedan with no options is what I'm after. Stay tuned!

I wait with bated breath!

[Buzy_Robot]

I wait with bated breath!

Oh, I'm just getting started my friend!

Got onto RedBook and generated a Valuation Certificate for my MY16 140TDI Highline Sedan with R-Line Pack and Luxury Pack and 18,000 kms on it. Trade-In values are as follows:

As New: $38,550

Very Good: $37,850

Good: $37,200

Average: $35,750

Fair: $35,250

Poor: $34,250

So, at $34,000 my dealer is offering me a trade in value less than what RedBook considers suitable for a Passat in poor condition.

I can assure you my Passat is far from being in poor condition. Exact opposite, actually.

Going through the receipts of the 5 previous Passats from the same dealership and I can see substantial discounts.

For example, with my current Passat there was a discount of $3,158 off the retail price.

Be very interesting to see the dealer's response to all this information.

[snala]

That's not unusual in my experience. The last two cars I've not traded in as the dealers offered $7k and $10k less than what they were really worth. That's how they make their money. It's not what you think it's worth, it's just about the hand over difference cost you are happy to pay. They can take some off the top of the new one but you don't care which car it comes from. I don't know what the market is like for second hand cars in oz selling privately at that level but over here it can take a couple of months but you should pull 50-75% of the difference back if you can afford to do that. Or wait another few months and buy an ex demo. Mine was $10k+ less than new price with 3000kms on it. So $60k NZD instead of $71k doing it that way.

[SciroccoJ]

Oh, I'm just getting started my friend!

Got onto RedBook and generated a Valuation Certificate for my MY16 140TDI Highline Sedan with R-Line Pack and Luxury Pack and 18,000 kms on it. Trade-In values are as follows:

As New: $38,550

Very Good: $37,850

Good: $37,200

Average: $35,750

Fair: $35,250

Poor: $34,250

So, at $34,000 my dealer is offering me a trade in value less than what RedBook considers suitable for a Passat in poor condition.

I can assure you my Passat is far from being in poor condition. Exact opposite, actually.

Going through the receipts of the 5 previous Passats from the same dealership and I can see substantial discounts.

For example, with my current Passat there was a discount of $3,158 off the retail price.

Be very interesting to see the dealer's response to all this information.

Do differently negotiate .... I normaly work out what I want and give it to the dealer and told them, work towards that deal and you have my deposit. neven have them to work out how much the trade is and how much you are paying the new car. Just tell them if they can get you want you want, they have a deal, otherwise there are always a dealer out there want the deal.

I have just traded my MY15 Tiguan 155 Rline with sunroof for $33k with 24k on the oclock, just over 20months old. (new is around $47.5 from memory)

[chopper]

I never really trade cars in... I either pass them off to family when we're done, sell them privately... or just keep them (I was supposed to have sold my GTI by now, yet she's still here!). I've never really had this issue... and it's why I can push harder buying the new cars, as there's no complication about trade-in. It's just a straight cash purchase.

They only ever just discount one to prop the other up anyway.

I've heard of other people doing this... if you're buying a REALLY expensive car, which triggers LCT, the dealer discounts your new car and gives you less for your trade. You'll save 33c for every $1 discount above the LCT threshold. Not an issue for me, I don't see the value in buying expensive cars when you can buy cars like the 206TSI below the threshold...